Comments on: Clintons, Obama Urge Primary Patience

Hillary Clinton Vows Fight To Convention, Obama Picks Up Another Superdelegate

[rowdytexan2]

7) Hillary manipulated the process by being the only candidate who kept her name on the Michigan ballot.

FALSE: Kucinich, Dodd and Gravel also kept their names on the Michigan ballot. In fact the decision of some candidates to remove their names from the Michigan ballot was a tactical move designed to curry favor with Democratic Party officials in Iowa who were concerned that the significance of their first-in-the-nation status was being diminished. The risk paid off handsomely for Obama.

8) Because Edwards and Obama were not on the Michigan ballot, that election cannot be considered a legitimate expression of voter preference of a presidential candidate.

FALSE: According to the Delegate Selection Rules & Bylaws, "Delegates shall be allocated in a fashion that fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the primary voters..." The Michigan ballot included an option for "uncommitted" to ensure that voters could express a presidential preference or uncommitted status consistent with this rule. Nothing in the Rules requires a state to allocate delegates to candidates who voluntarily remove their names from the ballot as John Edwards and Barack Obama did.

[jesterbelle]

And as a democrat, I am ashamed that a greedy, desperate woman is hijacking and sabotaging the Democratic party.



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Posted by jockh at 10:39 AM : Mar 31, 2008

NO,IT IS GOOD THAT SHE STAYS IN.IT HELPS OBAMA IN THE LONG RUN.READ SOME OF MY EARLIER POSTS.I THINK YOU WILL AGREE.

[rowdytexan2]

5) The DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee has taken action and is unable to change the sanctions imposed on Florida and Michigan.

FALSE: The Rules and Bylaws Committee has the power to lift any and all automatic sanctions along with the power to impose and modify additional sanctions. The Rules and Bylaws committee also has the power to create its own committee to create an alternative process for delegate selection should the state party not cooperate or be unable to resolve the issue on its own. The Rules and Bylaws Committee failed to use the tools it had to independently resolve the matter in good faith before Florida and Michigan voters went to the polls of the ill timed primaries to express their candidate preference.

6) Hillary violated the DNC Rules by keeping her name on the Michigan ballot.

FALSE: Nowhere in the DNC''s Delegate Selection Plans is there any suggestion or command that any candidate remove his or her name from a ballot in a state that is in violation of timing rules. This is why Obama and Edwards were on the Florida ballot, in spite of its primary also being before February 5.

[rowdytexan2]

3) Any attempt to seat 100% of the pledged or unpledged delegates of Florida and Michigan at this point is "changing the rules."

FALSE: The DNC Rules explicitly contemplate that excluded delegates will eventually be seated at the Convention. For states in violation of the timing rules, the DNC Delegate Selection Rules provide remedies to reinstate all of their delegates, both pledged and unpledged.

4) Florida is not entitled to reinstatement of its delegates because the Democrats in the Florida State Legislature did not make efforts to keep the state''s primary in compliance with DNC Rules.

FALSE: Evidence that that a Republican majority in the state legislature set the primary date in violation of the DNC timing rules in spite of efforts by the state''s Democratic legislators to keep the primary in compliance is grounds for appealing a DNC decision to strip a state of its delegates.

[jesterbelle]

Aagain, he broke the rules in Michigan and Florida, the DNC knows this, Obama knows this, and he knows it would be nasty because he broke the rules.


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Posted by RowdyTexan2 at 10:32 AM : Mar 31, 2008

It makes no difference.Didn''t you read what i said?HILLARY IS PERCEIVED AS THE CHEATER.PERCEPTION IS WHAT COUNTS.PERCEPTION IS THE REASON SHE IS 8.7 MILLION IN THE HOLE NOW.SHE CAN''T GET ANYONE TO FUND HER CAMPAIGN,BECAUSE SHE IS PERCEIVED AS A LOSER.THAT IS WHAT ALL HER BLATHERING ABOUT TAKING IT TO THE CONVENTION IS FOR,FUNDING!

[rowdytexan2]

Have you actually read the rules?"

DNC Delegate Selection Rules: Florida & Michigan

True or False?

1) The DNC Rules state that pledged delegates elected by Florida and Michigan voters must be excluded because those states scheduled primaries before February 5, 2008.

FALSE: The DNC Delegate Selection Rules explicitly give the Rules and Bylaws Committee and the Credentials Committee ultimate jurisdiction over delegate selection. These committees, each in their independent capacities, can seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida at their discretion.

2) The mandatory penalty for a state holding a primary before February 5, 2008 is exclusion of that state''s delegates from the Democratic National Convention.

FALSE: The mandatory penalty is exclusion of one half of the offending state''s pledged and alternate delegates. Unless otherwise provided, the other half of that state''s pledged and alternate delegates will be seated at the convention.

[gypsy0126]

BLKPresident: how intelligent, what a comment, stay in the kitchen. Not only are you a racist, but you are also gender biased. The door to the White House is not closed to ANYONE!!! We do have the EQUAL OPPORTUNITY LAW HERE, which prohibits discrimination against race, gender and so forth. And by the way, you mispelled Black in your log in name. That is spelled B L A C K. If you are married, I would like to spell out the following for your wife, in reference to YOU.... D I V O R C E.

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by jockh at 10:39 AM : Mar 31, 2008

Of course she will take it to convention. She has equal support, and that support will be seated at the convention.

[flreason]

RowdyTexan2:

Funny thing...I tried to access the link you included in your posting, and all I got was: "Sorry, I can''t seem to find that story." You''ll have to do better than that.

[omega39-2009]

Democratic Donors Send $24 Million Letter to Pelosi

March 27, 2008 | Prominent backers of Hillary Clinton sent a multi-million-dollar message to Capitol Hill this week: Watch out, Nancy Pelosi. In a letter to the Speaker of the House that urged her to stay out of the debate over how superdelegates should cast their votes, the 20 major Democratic donors didn''t call direct attention to the $23.6 million that they''ve given to the Democratic Party since 1999, but they reminded her of their "enthusiastic" support over the years.

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