Comments on: Dean Outlines Options For Fla., Mich. Dems

But Former Party Head Says It's Doubtful Plan For Do-Over Primaries Would Be Approved

[liberty4you]

Check out TorontoStar.com website, check out NBCNews.com
website, checkout CBC news on youtube or realclearpolitics.com

Canadians are going freakin'' crazy over their govt.
interfering with the Democratic primaries in Ohio, Texas.

This needs to be reported further...

[liberty4you]

"OTTAWA%u2013The leak of a sensitive Canadian diplomatic memo that rocked Barack Obama''s bid to be U.S. president highlights the Conservative government''s fumbling of the foreign affairs file, says a retired top foreign affairs official."

America, Clinton just used
Canada to win in Ohio. Thanks Canada for lying about
Barack to Ohio. PM of Canada leaks false statements that their right wing govt. mistated.

Canadians are going crazy over this WATERGATE, or NAFTA-gate this is very serious America and needs further investigation.

Thanks Cannotada.

[starleo146]

Florida passed a law making 1/29/2008 the primary date. Dean didn''''t. Dean only enforces the DNC by-laws and rules. You haven''''t read or researched anything about this have you.

Posted by IOWEIGN at 07:15 PM : Mar 06, 2008

You tell them Ioweign they always want to blame the democrats this time once again Florida was determined to do as they want and Michigan did as well. What did Florida care whether democrats voted anyway they try every time to keep them from the polls

[starleo146]

why in the hell should the DNC and Howard Dean pay for the ignorance and negligence of Gov. Christ (FL) and Gov. Granholm (MI). These are the people who let the voters down, not the DNC. The voters in these 2 states should rememeber what they did when they are up for re-election. If you run a stop sign and a police officer gives you a ticket should he have to pay for it becuase you are upset? No. Anyone who blames the DNC or Howard Dean for establishing a set of rules that have been on the books for nearly 2 years is an idiot!

Posted by dchoggettes at 04:33 PM : Mar 06, 20

You are right they had there warning and went ahead anyway so rules are rules and the Governors signed it into law so you reap what you sow and I say pay for your mistake another way to stick it to your voters governors

[ioweign]

All well and good. Am I to believe that the Republican party in Florida is able to control the DNC where the Republican party in other red states cannot? How NAIVE you are to believe this?

The problem is with the obstinate DNC CHAIRMAN
who is clearly unwilling to work with anyone.
Get a clue. You don''''t understand how this really works. Dean is a DICTATOR who believes he has all the answers that the Democratic Party will ever need. You folks are being duped. The Chairman is the PROBLEM!

Posted by JEGibbons at 05:55 PM : Mar 06, 2008

Florida passed a law making 1/29/2008 the primary date. Dean didn''t. Dean only enforces the DNC by-laws and rules. You haven''t read or researched anything about this have you.

[jegibbons]

"Florida party representatives argued unsuccessfully that they should be given an exemption and not be punished because they had taken "provable, positive steps" to obey the rule, but they were unsuccessful because of the actions of a Republican controlled legislature and a Republican governor."==
All well and good. Am I to believe that the Republican party in Florida is able to control the DNC where the Republican party in other red states cannot? How NAIVE you are to believe this?

The problem is with the obstinate DNC CHAIRMAN
who is clearly unwilling to work with anyone.
Get a clue. You don''t understand how this really works. Dean is a DICTATOR who believes he has all the answers that the Democratic Party will ever need. You folks are being duped. The Chairman is the PROBLEM!

[jegibbons]

"There has to be some semblance of order..." ==Posted by dchoggettes. Sounds familiar!
Isn''t that what they use to say in East Berlin was the reason for that ten foot wall?
Or was that: "YOUR PAPERS ARE NOT IN ORDER!!"

This is STILL a blatant manipulation to get specific results.
The Bigger More Government Intrusions traditionally characteristic of the Democratic party have finally become its UNDOING.

"He who laughs last laughs best."

Come November when the Democrats get crushed once again. They will rightfully point their fingers to this debacle and particularly at the DNC''s chairman Doctor/former Governor Howard Dean who couldn''t arrange a hen laying contest without managing to irritate the hens and the judges. The Man is INSANE!

[ioweign]

The DNC needs to fix this. They should do the right thing by their voters. Pay for do-over elections in Florida and Michigan then FIRE Howard Dean! Send him back to Vermont to detox off his psyche meds at the Brattleboro Retreat.

Posted by JEGibbons at 04:25 PM : Mar 06, 2008

The state of Florida created the problem by making it a law. The State of Florida is liable for its own actions.

[ioweign]

The Republican Governor of Florida did not decide when the Democratic Party in Florida should have their primary. It''s the Democratic party in Florida that makes that call.
MORE IS THE POINT Who is Howard Dean to dictate when a state should have its primaries?
What is not being stated here: THE PROVERBIAL ELEPHANT IN THE LIVING ROOM is this: This is a blatant manipulation to get specific results.


Posted by JEGibbons at 04:52 PM : Mar 06, 2008

Wrong Gibbons - Florida Republicans made it a law.



The state ran afoul of the committee%u2019s new primary rules when it decided to adhere to a new state law that moved the primary to Jan. 29, in violation of the DNC rule preventing unapproved states from holding a nominating contest before Feb. 5. The rules committee officially found the delegate selection plan Florida submitted to be in noncompliance Saturday when it adopted Dawson%u2019s resolution.

Florida party representatives argued unsuccessfully that they should be given an exemption and not be punished because they had taken "provable, positive steps" to obey the rule, but they were unsuccessful because of the actions of a Republican controlled legislature and a Republican governor.

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/dnc-tells-florida-dems-to-change-primary-plan-2007-08-25.html

[dchoggettes]

JEGibbons,
Have you taken the time to read any newspapers, which describes exactly why the primaries were moved. Gov. Christ was the centerpiece in moving the primaries, and she spearheaded the idea in order to get attention to the Floridian economy and to have more impact on the Primary outcome. Why do you think she is so outraged. As to Howard Dean''s place in the matter...Maybe you din''t know that he is the head of the DNC! Consequently, he along with other DNC members (democratically) decide when the votes take place. There has to be some semblance of order becuase the DNC is partially reponsible for ensuring that the elections are fair ie.... making sure that there is equal representaion between those who transfer the ballots, the credentials of the polling operators, the approval of other various matters. All of these mechanisms fall in-part under the DNC, therfore you can not have states going around having elections at their whim. You should probably get more informed...I would suggest going to the DNC website and also watching Anderson Cooper on CNN or even Bill Oreilly on FoxNews. Just get educated and come back to me.

[jegibbons]

Posted by dchoggettes == You got your facts twisted.
The Republican Governor of Florida did not decide when the Democratic Party in Florida should have their primary. It''s the Democratic party in Florida that makes that call.
MORE IS THE POINT Who is Howard Dean to dictate when a state should have its primaries???
What is not being stated here: THE PROVERBIAL ELEPHANT IN THE LIVING ROOM is this: This is a blatant manipulation to get specific results.

Small ''d'' democracy works from the people on up mot from party central down to the voters. That''s the way it works in Communist Countries!!! Like Cuba where elections are largely a matter for show not for substance.

[dchoggettes]

JEGibbons,
why in the hell should the DNC and Howard Dean pay for the ignorance and negligence of Gov. Christ (FL) and Gov. Granholm (MI). These are the people who let the voters down, not the DNC. The voters in these 2 states should rememeber what they did when they are up for re-election. If you run a stop sign and a police officer gives you a ticket should he have to pay for it becuase you are upset? No. Anyone who blames the DNC or Howard Dean for establishing a set of rules that have been on the books for nearly 2 years is an idiot!

[jegibbons]

This would be COMICAL if it weren''t so sad!

Al Queda is watching. The Iraqi electorate are watching. The GOP is watching.
Does any loyal Blue State Democrat believe this debacle does anything but hurt their chances to gain the White House?

There has not been an uglier face in party politics than Howard Dean since the likes of Newt Gingrich!
The DNC needs to fix this. They should do the right thing by their voters. Pay for do-over elections in Florida and Michigan then FIRE Howard Dean! Send him back to Vermont to detox off his psyche meds at the Brattleboro Retreat.

[ioweign]

Stupid, stupid, stupid, Florida party leaders. I want their names. They KNEW this was going to happen (they just didn''''t think the race would be close enough to matter.)
Who are these idiots who caused this mess?
Florida is kind of whacky regarding government, isn''''t it?

Posted by gretagreen at 03:57 PM : Mar 06, 2008

I believe Florida is Republican controlled and they voted for this primary date changed. Hmm - meddling in someones political process.

[liberalme]

Fox News: - Florida Sen. Bill Nelson is demanding that the Democratic National Committee either accept the results of his state%u2019s primary or cough up the money to stage another election


We%u2019re coming to the biggest train wreck that you%u2019ve ever seen,%u201D Nelson said. %u201CBecause if they go to the convention and stiff arm the Florida delegation, how in the world do you think Floridians are going to support a Democratic nominee Nov. 4, only two months after the convention?%u201D
Posted by trapbreak at 03:25 PM : Mar 06, 2008

Now why in the world would they "accept the results" when not everyone voted because we were being told it wouldn''t count anyway!!!

If they want results--then they will have to vote again and give everyone the opportunity--however, there were about 4 other candidates then than now--what about them?

Can you see the lawsuits?

Florida screwed up again--and Jebbie wasn''t even here!

[gretagreen]

Stupid, stupid, stupid, Florida party leaders. I want their names. They KNEW this was going to happen (they just didn''t think the race would be close enough to matter.)
Who are these idiots who caused this mess?
Florida is kind of whacky regarding government, isn''t it?

[liberalme]

Jeb left office with a 76% approval rating.
Posted by mbcsmith

That''s because Florida is essentially a red state, Jebbie and the cons worked together.

Crist, on the other hand, will be a one-timer, he''s hitting too many of the working class in the wallet!

[liberalme]

5 Year unmet goals by DHS--way to go bushites!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23494846

[dchoggettes]

Hey Jack99123,
Iv''e got news. Don''t tell anyone that I let you in on a secret...but here goes. There are no electoral votes in the Primaries...just delegates. The electorals are for the General Election. And as for your proclaimation that Obama can''t win the general, just look at the polling that stated otherwise. By the way, Iv''e got one more secret to tell you. The Democrats outvoted the Republicans from the very beggining of the Primary season by well over 2 to 1. What does this mean? It means the states that generally run republican can be teken by Dems because of the lack of interest and support for McCain. There will be more DEms voting than Repubs. Again shhhh dont tell!

[jack99123]

The election in November is the real thing .The winner takes all the electoral votes in any state even though he wins by only one vote in that state. No more Caucuses and no more 4 to 1 money advantage to one candidate over the other. The Obama supporters should now wake up and gracefully nominate Hillary Clinton, as she has already won all the big states . Obama%u2019s inexperience clearly shows here but it is too late for him. Hillary has 263 electoral votes from all the states she has won. Obama has 190 electoral votes. Do not feel bad Mr. Obama. You will still be the Vice Presidential candidate and sooner you realize that the sooner we will start getting ready for the Republicans.
Electoral college Votes

Clinton Obama
9
3
10
6
55
9
7
3
3
27
4
4
21

7
6
9
4
10

12
17
10

11
3
5
5
4
15
5
31

3
20
7


4
8

11
34
5
3
13
11

10
263 190