Comments on: Kennedy Lauds Obama As Worthy Heir To JFK

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[b-easy63]

I was just watching the View and they were saying that Hillary approached Kennedy and Obama to shake their hands and Obama turned away and didn''''t shake her hand. Like I have said before he is VERY IMMATURE!Do you really want an immature child running the country?

I actually thought that was pretty immature, also--but to be honest--so is sticking cigars up twaaaats and lying about it and shredding tons of emails while lying about a war. Guess we have to decide if we want a President at all--because in recent history, they all have demonstrated levels of immaturity, petulance, narcissism , vindictiveness, stubborness, tunnel vision, pigheadedness, evasiveness, pitifulness, pettiness, and naivety. do we really want an immature President--given the nature of whose running and how--will we have much choice?

Posted by erasmus6 at 01:31 PM : Jan 29, 2008

[thgdriver]

Americans are sick to death of the "GOP polices" that favor war and making the rich richer.

Let''s take a look at that statement in history.

WW 1 A "Demonrat" is president---W Wilson-100,000 American dead.

WW 2 A "Demonrat" is president--FDR. Over 900,000 Americans dead.

Korea A "Demonrat" is president--Truman Over 34000 Americans dead.

Vietnam A "Demonrat" is president--Kennedy/Johnson Over 54000 Americans dead.

[gunownerdan]

Both Obama and Clinton say law-abiding citizens should not be trusted to own common handguns, rifles, and shotguns. Meanwhile they both rely on armed guards who carry fully automatic MACHINE GUNS every single day!

"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual ... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of."
- Suzanna Gratia-Hupp

www.A-HUMAN-RIGHT.com

[erasmus6]

I was just watching the View and they were saying that Hillary approached Kennedy and Obama to shake their hands and Obama turned away and didn''t shake her hand. Like I have said before he is VERY IMMATURE!Do you really want an immature child running the country?

[terrorislam6]

Manchurian candidate

WHAT COUNTRY DOES BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA PLEDGE TO?

Obama Disrespects U.S. Flag!

Obama: No Hand on Heart for National Anthem
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2007/10/20/obama-no-hand-heart-pledge-either-will-msm-notice
http://bobmccarty.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/forget-lapel-pins-obama-disrespects-us-flag/
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/21/silent_gesture_gold_medalist_tommie_smith

Kenya, Islam and Obama Hussein
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/01/obama-islam-and.html
http://www.aina.org/news/20080106002912.htm
http://ztruth.typepad.com/ztruth/2008/01/im-barack-obama.html
http://www.newsweek.com/id/97058/page/2
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/raila-pact-with-muslims-made-public/878407526
Obama''s relationship with racists, Islamists ignored
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/campbell/080128
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/29/world/main3763147.shtml

[b-easy63]

I agree, that to scoff and sneer at ideas is a negative and if allowed, would leave us all standing still. Hilary is doing that to make Obama look bad--but on more than one occassion, I have noticed slight borrowings of his approach on things--so maybe she is listening. Now--she does not inspire many of us--and actually alienates a lot of people--her weakness. But if Obama does not wish for his spark of inspiration to be a weakness--he must have cohesive and comprehensive policies and plans to share, not just words of unity and what ifs--it is time to inject some of the necessary "plodding" into the campaign to show their is more than a nice crust on that entree--we need meat.

[b-easy63]

Posted by realpatriot1 at 01:07 PM : Jan 29, 2008

I agree wholeheartedly and am not implying that Obama lacks fortitude--but he needs to have and display an indepth road map--and also prepare for detours or have contingency plans. Inspiration is wonderful--it is what sparks us to action--but momentum is through just plugging along. I guess I can say it best by looking at myself. Besides being a microbiologist, i have dabbled for years in art and interior design (side hobbies). I come up with great ideas--and can galvanize everyone to get excited and start a project. But before the project is realized (about when the walls are torn out and we are rerouting plumbing and electrical wires) I flag and don''t even want to go out and face all the construction work. My hubby has no ideas about design--but his strength is my weakness. He plods along, stringing the wires and rerouting, and seeing him in the midst of the rubble--I am driven to hang the drywall, mud and tape and do the parts I do best. It takes both. Brilliance can inspire but to realize the vision, there has to be a plan for the nitty gritty details. Bush has shown us how the lack of planning results in mayhem and FUBAR. (next post)

[b-easy63]

1. An unnecessary war and corruption from war profiteers
2. A disregard for the long term economic health of the country and the impact of insourcing and outsourcing*
3. deregulation of finance industries which allowed rampant operation outside of prudent rules and practices....
4. a failure to generate gov. revenue (taxes) to keep place with gov spending (wars, earmarks, programs, giveaways to other countries)

*For this one, we DO have to go back to NAFTA, CAFTA and who was responsible and why--this would mean Clinton, for the errant spending we DO have to look at Congress--both the Republican one and Democrats, for insourcing or depressed wages--we DO have to address illegal immigrants and the eventual impact they have on jobs, income and spending of Americans.

We can revisit history all we want, but when all of you finish playing the blame game--the problems are still there--the only reason to visit present events in conjunction with the problems, is to determine how to dismantle them and trouble shoot similar predicaments in the future. Above that--its just partisan whining or crowing.

[b-easy63]

The biggest problem with the Libs and Demonrats here is that American history only started and goes back 7 years acording to them. LMAO. They want us all to forget about those lying S O B''''s Truman and Johnson, who between them, killed 88000 American soldiers fighting Communism. For who? For what? The commies are still there!

Oh, thats all in the past they say. Right, thats why they dredge this Alcoholic up out of Chappaquiddick for whatever mileage they can get from John''''s memory.

Posted by thgdriver at 01:00 PM : Jan 29, 2008

No... I think the problem is some people want to rehash history as if this is a game of "so what"....and others want to get us out of the messes we are now neck deep in. To do that, they must examine the whys of where we are. You may argue that why are in Iraq is due to Clinton--except Clinton may have said and done many things--but he did not put us in Iraq--why are we there? Oh yes the MNAY lies of Bush and Co and the parsing and withholding of info from Congress,the selective application of upholding the law and the continual lies and misinformation.

The economy is in shambles? Why is the economy in shambles? see next post

[realpatriot1]

b-easy63,

You''re right that idealism happens when people work for values but it takes inspiration to get people off their butts to work for change. The LBJ remark by Hillary is a perfect microsim for the split in the party right now and it''s not about gender or race.

It''s about an historical perspective on how progress happens. You can either conclude that progress in Civil Rights happened because a good ol'' boy legislator like Johnson greased the wheel or you can remember that long before that haappened MLK prepared the country to make that change when he lead people up against the attack dogs, the water cannon, the Church bombings and all the resistance that could be brought forward to save the status quo.

He and others lead the people up against the ugly machine of the ststus quo and those who feared change and kept saying we shall overcome and nobody''s going to turn us around. He set the agenda frompushing it into people''s living rooms until the status quo couldn''t ignore it any more and knew they couldn''t supress it any longer.

That''s where Johnson came in. And the Kennedy''s. And eventually others. That''s what working for change is about, providing the inspiration to bring everyone forward to work for change.

It''s not an inside the beltway thing it''s an inspiration thing. The Kennedys understood that because he inspired them too.

"Some people look at things as they are and say why. I look at the way things could be and say, why not?"-Robert Kennedy,1968.

[thgdriver]

The biggest problem with the Libs and Demonrats here is that American history only started and goes back 7 years acording to them. LMAO. They want us all to forget about those lying S O B''s Truman and Johnson, who between them, killed 88000 American soldiers fighting Communism. For who? For what? The commies are still there!

Oh, thats all in the past they say. Right, thats why they dredge this Alcoholic up out of Chappaquiddick for whatever mileage they can get from John''s memory.

[b-easy63]

I think on the issue of the Clinton lie and his impeachment--many Americans (especially Republicans) do not realize that world perception is that the entire situation was a set up and a witch hunt and that the Republican Congress is faulted for creating and engineering the situation until it came down to that lie...they as a group are perceived as petty and vindictive and many that I spoke to, shook their heads and said that a ''fringe group of extremists'' almost destroyed the american presidency--they often were surprised to learn the "extremists" were actually one of our country''s party bulwarks. Europeans also point out that Americans are a curious mix of puritans and hedonists and suggest we are hypocrits--the implication is that we would be better served to focus on what our President does or does not do for the good of the country and world and less on what he does with his sexual organ if it does not effect us. It is good advice--Republicans look bad in the eyes of many around the world, not Clinton--not even for lying--he looks like a man that was railroaded and his enemies would have stopped at nothing to try to destroy him. THAT is a sad commentary for the smear aspects. Smear, then try to trip someone up--if you can''t get him for the smear--get him for the lie......sad indeed. But no country was destroyed and thousands are not dead and injured due to Bill Clinton''s penissss. This is just a fact.

[thgdriver]

Kennedy declaring that the torch has been passed."

Yeah,right, this guy can pass everything except the corner tavern for another shot of scotch. .

[b-easy63]

I would have resented Clinton even more for dividing the country based on this lie--if not for the fact that the division was already there as was evidenced by the Paula Jones/Gennifer flowers attempts by the Republicans. This means I tempered my dislike--NOT based on loyalty to the Dems but on ramifications. (ie the effect of the lie on the welfare of the country and the world ) It was minimal--so...In Europe especially, most perceive the Republicans as being on a witch hunt and dismiss the charges and lie of Clinton--"What did you expect?" they say--"A man''s marriage was at stake" the problem with the Clinton lie--is that the entire situation should never have been a matter for any court or congress in the first place, unless it involved the welfare of the country. The votes for Congress after the hearings reflected how dismissive people felt the issue was. It is like a woman trying to sue you and take your home and business, over the fact that when you entered a store and accidently jarred her elbow--you made her break a nail. (versus) a man, who grabbed said woman, through her bodily against the wall, raped her repeatedly and then threw her out of the window of the store --Bush) do I dislike Clinton for lying--I DO think less of him--but not nearly as less as I do for a murderer.

[b-easy63]

Posted by alanrobisch2 at 12:28 PM : Jan 29, 2008

Yes, I voted for Clinton both times. I did not approve of Clinton lying. But I did not indict him to the level I indict Bush and the Republicans. I am not an absolutist--I look at the ramifications of the lies also. I am a world traveler and every where I go (primarily to Europe and S. America) Clinton is perceived in a very positive light and the Republicans are looked askance at for forcing the investigation that led to the lie. We would submit that all Presidents (and people for that matter ) lie and some may lie under oath--BUT what a lie is about matters. Lies about what a man does with his ***--are petty and rarely involve death of thousands or national security. Lies that result in a continual roil of American transgressions and result in death are another matter. see next post

[thgdriver]

Obama inherits Camelot.

He did, where the helll is that? Can I take a tour, get a job, buy a house, send my kids to school?
Must be a place where a Demonrat Senator can drown a girl and get away with it, then there is a Shangra-La in his mind.

After Demonrat Truman killed 34000 Americans in Korea, I am still trying to figure out for who, for what? The commies are still there, the 36000 Americans are all gone.

Demonrat Johnson killed 54000 Americans in Vietnam, I am still trying to figure out for who for what? The commies are still there, the 54000 Americans are all gone.

[alanrobisch]

Bush and Company--diminished all of America--with the lies, the torture, the manipulation of information, the greed and the hiding of any info under "national security" and executive privilege--refusing to testify under oath--And when I see Democrats using the same tactics--I dislike them also.



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Posted by b-easy63 at 12:22 PM : Jan 29, 2008

I note you mentionned this about clinton too. Did you vote for clinton? Lets separate smear from the truth. clinton knowingly and willfully lied in a court of law and did everything to prevent the truth from coming out. Did you feel the same about him?

[b-easy63]

I read a column by *** Meyers who stated in three national polls out of four McCain was favored over Hillary. On the other hand Obama would have a better chance of beating McCain since he also appeals to the independents

Posted by alanrobisch2 at 12:15 PM : Jan 29, 2008


Obama is an idealist. Bless his heart. So is Kennedy. We need idealists. They give us hope and help us to see a larger picture outside of the trenches. But in the end, in debate after debate--idealists usually do not have the nuts and bolts or contingency plans thought out--because to them--the dream will become reality. Dreams don''t become reality just because people wish for them to or endorse them or believe in them--they become reality when people work for them. Obama will be shown to not be pragmatic enough. And though we need dreams and minds outside of the trenches, in the trench is where America is right now--we need those who can get us out of the crevasse, before we can adopt and pursue some of the higher ideas of the dream. Of course, I will add, that if Obama has a team smart enough to recognize the difference between wishful thinking and expediency--then he will prove he can tackle the mess that we are right now--if not--McCain will win. But we digress--I have said all along--that Hilary will probably win the nom--and if she does--McCAin will win the election--due to crossover support and the fact that he is less divisive and tempers a Dem. Majority in Congress.

[b-easy63]

Why? Posted by alanrobisch2 at 12:07 PM : Jan 29, 2008

Because I believe there is no honor or integrity in winning based on smearing instead of merit. From the lies and witch hunts against Clinton since before his election in 1992 and then the lies against McCain in 2000--the Republicans behaved as cheaters, without merit and the only real tool--being the ability to smear and character assassinate--and that was despicable. (Which is also why I am against Clinton)

Why against the war? I don''t believe in killing people who have done nothing to us and pre-emptive wars based on and continued with lies is evil. I believe in the rule of law and the Constitution. This means instead of trying to rewrite international law or FISA or the Geneva conventions or make war crimes immune from prosecution--we obey the laws not argue around them. WE don''t out our own agents, we DO obey subpoenas and testify, we don''t destroy evidence and emails, we do not stack the DOJ or other offices to favor our party and Congress should not legislate or vote to favor their own party over Americans.

Bush and Company--diminished all of America--with the lies, the torture, the manipulation of information, the greed and the hiding of any info under "national security" and executive privilege--refusing to testify under oath--And when I see Democrats using the same tactics--I dislike them also.

[thgdriver]

Obama Inherits Camelot.

He did? Where the helll is that? Can I see it, take a tour, get a job, buy a home, send my kids to school?

Wake up folks, Camelot does not exist, never did. Unless it''s that place where a married president can screw the Hollywood gals like Marilyn Monroe. A Senator in the same family, can drown a girl like Mary Jo and get away with it. Then I guess there is a Shangra-la after all.