Comments on: Reid Sets Stage For Telecom Immunity Fight
Competing Wiretap Bills Coming To A Vote; Dem. Leader Says It'd Be Wrong For Him To Choose Between Them
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- "Congress and the President have no higher responsibility than protecting the American people from enemies who attacked our country."
This quote by Bush, and similar others by various politicians, drives me up the wall. The highest responsibility that the President and members of Congress has is to defend and protect the CONSTITUTION from "ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC." That is the oath they take, and the oath they should be held to. When other actions, such as warrantless spying, directly interferes with this oath, that is an impeachable offense.
Benjamin Franklin said it best in a quote I''ve seen used quite a lot lately: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Reply to this comment
- If laws were broken, such as poor Telecoms not requesting warrants before they spied on us then let them defend themselves in court like anyone else instead of getting laws changed.
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That''s the way. Nixon should have asked IMMUNITY for his plumbers ...- Reply to this comment
- %u201CProviding retroactive immunity to companies that may have violated the law will set a dangerous precedent,%u201D said Dodd. %u201CCompanies who violated the trust of thousands of their customers will be immune to prosecution and the details of their actions will stay hidden.
"The President, and his Administration, has consistently used scare tactics in an attempt to force Congress to pass FISA legislation that provides retroactive immunity," Dodd said.
Senator Dodd is correct NO IMMUNITY. NO IMMUNITY. - Reply to this comment
They broke the law and new it at the time. All of these companies have legal teams that they run decisions like this by. They made the judgment call that what they did would never come to light. Quest decided not to cooperate because it was illegal and was punished by losing government contracts.- Reply to this comment
- November 13, 2007 - Impeachment
A total of 64% of American voters say that President George W. Bush has abused his powers as president. Of the 64%, 14% (9% of all voters) say the abuses are not serious enough to warrant impeachment, 33% (21% of all voters) say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses, but he should not be impeached, and 53% (34% of all voters) say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses and Mr. Bush should be impeached and removed from office.
A total of 70% of American voters say that Vice President *** Cheney has abused his powers as vice president. Of the 70%, 26% (18% of all voters) say the abuses are not serious enough to warrant impeachment, 13% (9% of all voters) say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses, but he should not be impeached, and 61% (43% of all voters) say the abuses rise to the level of impeachable offenses and Mr. Cheney should be impeached and removed from office.
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- What the hell is going on when the Dems have the majority in the Senate and one of it''''s members has to filibuster a bill?
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Posted by gmbell01 at 03:42 AM : Dec 17, 2007
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They DO NOT have the majority when Liberman votes with the Republican''s. He allows the Democrats to claim a majority but he always sides with the Fascist when it come''s to wrongs committed by the fuhrer. Sieg Heil Bush!! - Reply to this comment
- What the hell is going on when the Dems have the majority in the Senate and one of it''''s members has to filibuster a bill?
Posted by gmbell01 at 03:42 AM : Dec 17, 2007
Sorry to tell you this is how it is played. They have the majority but if they don''t play the game you the voter will remove them.
They don''t have unlimited power and until you vote a Democrat as President and give the Democrats more votes you must live with this.
Most people just don''t get it Jefferson was a genius he did this on purpose so that no one group no matter how powerful can completely control the government. - Reply to this comment
- If Congress gives in to Bush on this then corparations really are now running the country. If they broke the law, then just like anyone else, they should be brought to justice.
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- What the hell is going on when the Dems have the majority in the Senate and one of it''s members has to filibuster a bill?
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- What the hell is going on when the Dems have the majority in the Senate and one of it''s members has to filibuster a bill?
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- True patriots vote, if you don''t like any of the candidats, tough, there is always someone to vote for who comes closest to your views, for example Kucinich or Paul, even if you think neither can win. Waving the American flag is NOT patriotism it IS nationalism, nationalism is one of the incredients for fascism, waving the American flag does not mean you''re a fascist however it does not mean you''re a patriot either. Only those who inform themselves on the issues and vote accordingly are true patriots. Only those who protest wrong doing by our government are true patriots. Dodd is patriot for his filibuster, Kucinich for his impeachment motion on Cheney. Dodd and Kucinich are true American patriots.
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- I was all set to vote for Kucinich and now I''m hesitant maybe Dodd is now going to get my vote.
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- What would be the point!
Posted by Vet_SK
Given the recent history of lying about vote totals, and discarding votes of "Black" people, it is tempting to ask that question even now, before any action is taken by a corrupt legislature. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by likeitis5050
Mostly correct, but also consider if the telecoms know that in the future similar activities would entail similar liability, they would think a few times before agreeing to cooperate with a corrupt government, and that alone is probably worth the lawyers'' fees. - Reply to this comment
- No Retroactive immunity!
If the dems allow such a bill to pass - giving immunity to the telecoms and the government officials that allowed this to happen, myself and many other just won''t vote in the next election. What would be the point! - Reply to this comment
- Data mining? Guess who handles the US phone billing--an Israeli company called Amdocs...Bell South and most others use them which gives Israeli intelligence access to just about everything that goes on, on the phone lines...Just as the ADL was caught and fined for spying on Americans in California, Amdocs and the Israelis can do this as a ''front'' for the US secret police...The Bush Regime has already hired Marcus Wolf, the bloody-handed head of the East German Secret Police--STASI...and Primakov...the old KGB hand. Do you think they hire police staters to preserve American freedoms or, do you think it is really Bush, the Neo-Scum and the Oligarchy who ''hate us for our freedom''? Beyond a shadow of a doubt it is the latter....True Patriots don''t let Idiots pass Patriot Acts....
...While the TSA is sniffing granny''s panties for explosive residues and the US STASI is snooping on you, the borders remain open...of course, no terrorists would be smart enough to cross an open border...just the drug dealers...you know, the ones that the Bush Regime protects by jailing border patrol agents who do their job, while the animal Mukasey remains silent on the CIA drug and rendition plane that crashed in Mexico...and no one cares about OUR $2.3 TRILLION that Rumsfeld announced was missing on 9-10-01 from Pentagon accounts. - Reply to this comment
- If no law was broken then there is no need for liability protection to companies that spied on it''s customers for Bush.
What is Bush trying to hide then? If Verizon, AT&T and others did break the law at Bush''s request, then they should be sued, along with Bush.
If liability protection is granted by this weak Congress then they better grant liability protection to all law breakers. You can not allow one group a free pass while you charge others for like crime.
More Bushit and a weak, backdown Congress are not good for this country. Congress needs to peak in it''s shorts and find a pair, stand up with some back bone and tell Bush NO liability protection to companies. - Reply to this comment
- AMERICA YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE...
YOU LET THE REPIGS DO THIS WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES...
START WAR CRIMES TRIALS IN THE HAGUE IF YOU DONT HAVE THE GUTS TO DO IT IN AMERICA! - Reply to this comment
- "Competing Wiretap Bills Coming To A Vote; Dem. Leader Says It''d Be Wrong For Him To Choose Between Them"
Lets see here one bill that demands accountability of the telecoms regarding violations of constitutional rights, and one that absolves them of responsibility before there role can be determined, and Reid has trouble choosing between the two?
Smells like team GOP spirit... - Reply to this comment
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