Comments on: Controversy Erupts Over Anti-Romney "Poll"

N.H. Begins Investigation Into Calls In N.H., Iowa Raising Questions About Romney And Mormons

[abbe91]

"I was offended by the line of questioning," Watts said. "I would be equally as offended if someone called and said in the nature of if, ''you know the Catholic Church supported pedophile priests.'' I don''t think it has any place in politics."
Except if the candidate himself supported pedophile priests, I guess.

I doubt it was Mitt...but I''ll drop him like a hot potato if that turned out to be true...not to worry though...the biggest Mormon-haters are Utah based...and this targeted the religion.

Poor peter776...Where to start...

#1: Don''t lecture me about the Mountain Meadows Massacre...I promise I know more about it than you...you see, it was my ancestors pulling the triggers. My great-great-great grandfather was deeply involved and even shot his son (my great-great grandfather) in the head because the son would not kill an innocent person. The son survived (whew for me) but years later was dragged onto his front porch and beaten to death one week before the trial...trust me, I know more about this subject than you.

I take exception to your assertation about Young''s involvement...he was 300 miles away from SLC at the time in the wild west during a time when the US government was marching an army to Utah to put down our supposed insurrection, but that is neither here nor there.

Does the "Religious Right" really think that the Holy Bible doesn''t have stories that can be picked apart and mocked if someone wants to berate their religion. Have you READ the Bible? I have...time and again. I won''t go on any diatribe about the Bible. I believe in it. I respect it. And I respect other people''s beliefs in it too much for that.

By the way...do you actually KNOW any Mormons?...if so, are they anything like what you are describing?...dang...1500 word limit

[bwessels]

Richard Nixon would be so proud. GOP tradition is alive and well.

Don''t forget that anyone could say "Western Wats" into the telephone, and wait for people to connect the dots and point to Giuliani. "At least seven people" received the calls -- wow, that will swing the primaries -- NOT. If he is really savvy, Romney arranged for these calls himself to create sympathy for himself and backlash against the others.

Politics are lovely.

[PianoTuna]

Romney quit the governorship of MA - he''ll quit the presidency, too! Go home, Mitt! This is not a show like the Olympics!

[jcr103]

I think we should have a poll that examines the tolerance level and intelligence of right wing conservatives. What do you think THAT poll will reveal?

[peter776-2009]

How then does my religion make me or someone from my religion unworthy or incapable of running for President?
posted by ImAnAmerican

It is not your fault you and Mitt Romney were born Mormons. But what I have difficulty understanding is how a sentient, educated person can continue to believe in Mormonism upon reaching adulthood and having access to publicly-available facts regarding the criminal origins of Mormonism (e.g., Joseph Smith being a pedophile, serial adulterer and con artist, and Brigham Young directing the Mountain Meadows Massacre of 165 "gentiles" in Utah) and the totally bogus foundation upon which Mormonism rests. Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity -- it is a cult, and the only differecne between David Koresh''s brand of Christianity and Mormonism is that Mormonism has somehow succeeded in surviving longer and painting itself with a patina of respectability (done only after the federal government sent troops to Utah to quell armed rebellion against the U.S. and violence and murder perpetrated against "gentiles" by Mormons). I have a big problem with a person like Romney who despite the facts ventures forth into the world to proselytize in behalf of a cult started by a gang of kooks. That is his choice to make, but I don''t have to vote for him, and of course I won''t (just like I would not vote for any avowed, practicing Mormon running for public office). Zombies who cannot think critically are not qulaified to hold public office.

If someone has some time, please see if you can tie Western Wats to Worthlin Worldwide. When I was in College I knew people at Worthlin Worldwide and I think that Western Wats is one of the alliases they used when calling people. I MAY BE WRONG...so please don''t start blaming Worthlin unless it turns out I''m right.

If it is Worthlin, then this is a company that (in the mid-90''s at least) is/was a group constantly contracted to the Republican Party to do surveys.

[Razzl]

Clearly the problem here is the Company, Western Wats. I hope the justice department and a few states'' attorneys general can start investigating these scumbags and hopefully drive them out of business. What they do is a violation of the spirit of the "do not call" list exemptions for nonprofits and a fraud. Nothing like a little jail time to make creepy thugs rethink their business model or their political values...

If you don''t agree with our religion...fine. Nobody''s arguing that here. If you don''t want to vote for Mitt, fine, there are plenty of reasons for or against that.

But when you have a candidate that is qualified for the job, who has proven served without being dictated by his religious leaders, who has promised many times that he would act as President rather than Preacher...then it''s hard to understand why such a large part of our nation is willing to judge him as a person because of how they percieve the group he belongs to.

It''s bigotry, plain...simple bigotry. I''ve been a repulican my whole life, voting for plenty of people who don''t believe in the same religion I do. Is it really so hard for you to do the same?

[roger_inkart]

What''s best for this nation is to humble themselves before God again and pray that He will heal this nation and bring it back to it''s roots.

Posted by singinrick at 10:01 AM : Nov 16, 2007

Oh, so that was GW''s/God''s plan all along? To drive the nation into the ground so that we''d have to humble ourselves before Him?

If that''s true, God needs more hobbies. Or maybe a girlfriend. It''s clear He''s got too much time on His hands. He''s hurt and killed a lot of people just to make a point (but then again, it''s not like He hasn''t done it before.)

You know, growing up a Mormon you get pretty used to the ridiculous garbage that keeps getting regurgitated about your church. Being a Mormon missionary in Louisiana and Mississippi you get pretty used to dodging fruit, rocks, and beer bottles thrown from passing cars. Although you know it is obsurd, you get used to the fact that there seems to be no convincing many Americans that we''re not devil-worshiping wannabe Gods out to plunder womankind for our own lusts while supressing all non-white races with our magical underwear. All that I can take. The fact that the majority of those things come from the "Religious Right" I can take.

What I cannot stomach is finding out that the America I believe in does not believe in me. I was born an American...Raised an American...Taught that America was a country that by-and-large rejected prejudices...Recited the pledge of aliegance every morning in school...Sang our national anthem with all my heart...learned from school AND FROM CHURCH that the Constitution of the United States was a wonderful document worth protecting because it protected me.

My Grandfather served in World War II, my Father served in the United States Navy, my friends are serving, fighting for freedom, and in some cases dying in Iraq alongside their fellow Americans.

How then does my religion make me or someone from my religion unworthy or incapable of running for President?

Grow up and get off your high horse.

[roger_inkart]

The next president will have to be someone who can distinguish between his personal beliefs and what is best for the nation. GW Bush thought he knew best, but really he couldn''t have brought more harm to the nation if he tried. Which makes me question his competence and sincerity (and doubt God had anything to do with his very poor decisions.)

[mediabrat60]

"I don''t think it has any place in politics."

It most certainly does, especially when what you believe in, and is the sole basis of your life, is based on lies, deceit and fantasy.

If he is grossly mislead about God he will grossly mislead this country worse than anyone in history!~!