Comments on: Obama Details Iran Strategy

Democratic Hopeful Says He Would Personally Negotiate, Offer Incentives

[nhprophet]

What we need is a President who will show us the way. Not the old way. Not the same way, but a NEW WAY. Think about this for a minute. What if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea? They''ve been there for 50+ years. What if we quit worrying about Iran, but instead, realized that its having a nuclear weapon will not mean the end of the world? What if we pulled all of our troops out of the Middle-East, and brought them all home? What if we realistically addressed the National Debt, and paid attention to REALLY DOING SOMETHING about stopping illegal immigration? These are the ideas of Republican Presidential candidate, Dr. Ron Paul. He''s a ten term Congressman and a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies. He''s an intellectual who''s published four books, three of which are devoted entirely to sound economics and one to foreign policy. He was raised on a dairy farm in Pennsylvania as a pious Lutheran, but now he attends a Baptist church. Paul is given to mulling things over morally. Whenever he recollects the helicopter pilots he treated as an Air Force Flight Surgeon (Captain) during the Vietnam War, a war which he now says was "totally unnecessary and illegal," he laments, "They were gung-ho. I%u2019ve often thought about how many of those people never came back." Candidates with the high level of personal integrity and proven track record of adherance to The Constitution, Congressman Paul has always demonstrated only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky.

[nhprophet]

I support Ron Paul and his non-interventionist foreign policy. Hitlery wants to continue our illegal police action in Iraq until at least 2013, and she does not rule out a preemptive (nuclear) first strike against Iran. Ron Paul voted against our (undeclared) war in Iraq, which was sold to us with lies. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies--the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,400 American lives and almost a trillion dollars. We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again. Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have 750 foreign bases and troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women. We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing our borders against illegal immigrants and bring our troops home. No war should ever be fought without a Declaration of War voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution. Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations. Too often, we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we too become despised.

[nhprophet]

Ron Paul represents a different Republican Party from the one that Iraq, deficits and corruption have soured the country on. It''s ironic that other GOP candidates are scared to death of his message, BECAUSE his is more conservative than theirs. Being anti-war IS CONSERVATIVE. Another key difference between his message and the others is that he is a strong defender of The Constitution, which protects our civil liberties. The other Presidential candidates, who are mostly NWO Oligarchs, want to erase your liberties. They''ve tried hard to exlude Paul from the spotlight, along with the sold-out, mainstream media (CBS). In late June, despite a life of antitax agitation and pious churchgoing, he was excluded from a Republican forum sponsored by Iowa anti-tax and Christian groups. Ron Paul does not represent your Father''s school of political thought. He represents your Founding Fathers. He stands for a certain idea of the Constitution; the idea that much of the power asserted by modern presidents has been usurped from Congress, and that much of the power asserted by Congress has been usurped from the States. Though Dr. Paul acknowledges flaws in both The Constitution (it included slavery) and its Bill of Rights (it doesn%u2019t go far enough), he still thinks a comprehensive array of positions can be drawn therefrom: against gun control; for the sovereignty of States; and against foreign-policy adventures. His message draws on the noblest traditions of American decency and patriotism.

[nhprophet]

"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
- James Madison

"Those that give give up essential liberties for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
- Abraham Lincoln

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself, and those who would exploit our fear for power and their own personal, selfish, cynical gain."
- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"Peace is not the absence of conflict. It is the ability to handle conflict through peaceful means."
- Ronald Reagan

"Those who expect to reap the blessing of freedom must...undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
- Thomas Paine

"Liberty, when it takes root, is a plant of rapid growth."
- George Washington

"Commerce with all nations. Alliances with none."
- Thomas Jefferson

"Wars are poor chisels for carving-out peaceful tomorrows."
- Martin Luther King Jr.

"Ron Paul doesn''t represent your Father''s school of political thought. He represents your Founding Fathers."
- Me

[sendreidpelo]

Boy Obama sez -

Yessum boss - Ise again dat Lieberman-Kyl Bill couse I''se lub dem Iranians jus as I''se lub dem Klan. Did I tells yuh Ise called Abey Lincoln a racist? Yessum boss I did. But I''se never will call dat Ahmedinedoodah man a racist, or a Joo baiter, or a terrorist. Nooooo Sirrreeeee.

Dat Ise reserved for good people. Ise learnt to be nice and steppin for dem mean people. Lik mah friend Master Byrd - or mah udder noo friend Ahmedinedoodah. Ise won tell dem dey is bad people. To simple soul me, dey is gud peeple.

[sendreidpelo]

Bill Clinton had plans.

Bill Clinton had plans to destroy the North Korean Nuclear Reactors.

He never carried them out.

Bill Clinton yelled at Chris Wallace that he had operational plans to move into Afghanistan.

He never carried them out.

But when it came to bombing innocent Serb civilians or playing s&ck my Johnson with Lewinsky, he knew *** well how to carry those plans out.

A sick, pathetic, draft dodging pervert.

And that cuckolded shrill shrew with her phony policies richly deserves him - and all of his spousal emotional abuse he heaps on the plump idiot.

[sendreidpelo]

real,

you''re at least beginning to sound like your making sense - at least blasting the Syrians for occupying Lebanon with their own troops, their scumbag allies of Iran, and their own proxy, the killers of Lebanon, namely Hizbullah.

Of course if you''re justifying the Israeli movement into Lebanon after correctly pointing out that it was ONLY after the murderous scum of Hizbullah had murdered and kidnapped Israelis - two of whom still held thanks to the gutlessness of Olmert (who''d make a great Democratic Party weasel), you''re not going to make points with your friends like FeelJihadi or Tucker rhymes with F who hate Jews.

But you''ve earned one or two points with me for showing some rare common sense and bravery - totally uncommon with your side.

[sendreidpelo]

Boy Obama sez - Here is mah plan for I-ran...

I''se gonna tak to dem lik I''se talk to de KKK. I''se go to dem and say I''m jus a nice boy and pleeze don burn dem cross on my lawn. Den I say pleeze don tak dey whip across mah back.

If dey be nice to me, Ise go and step and fetch for dem. You''se gotta treat dem I-ran-eeeans lik you''se treat dem KKK.

Jus ask my good friend Grand Kleagle Massa Byrd.

[rowdytexan2]

Unfortunately, Mr. Bush is in the driver''s seat and he has no plans to use diplomacy. He''s throwing a few sanctions over there to incite them...but diplomacy is not his specialty at all. With Iran he holds the power of most of the middle east...along with his Saudi buddies.

Stopping Mr. Bush from invading Iran is going to take a little more than Mr. Obama''s promise to use diplomacy when he is elected. By then, it''s going to be a done deal. So Mr. Obama needs to get off that band box.

A good start is passing that resolution but Mr. Bush is wiley, and he wants this very badly. The only thing that may stop him is impeachment for crimes he''s already comitted.

[grazinggoat]

He might be perfectly innocent, but can America afford to take the risk, given the fact that the Quran also says that Muslims can lie for the cause of Allah and even pretend to belong to another religion as long as they don''t mean it in their heart...they can even swear on the bible if it means to further the cause..
Posted by Gaye5 at 05:39 PM : Nov 02, 2007

-Show us, very knowledgeable Gay e5, show us where it is written in the Quran%u2026 enlighten us, you big liar, like did so Walking-Liar Bush!

Obama is a ground-connected candidate... He lived through difficult times because of his immigrant roots and minority belonging. He''s not like the people''s-needs-insensitive political rich class, ''''hijacking'''' the actual executive power in White House. Obama is more capable to come up with CONCESSIONS that the Walking-Liar''s backers are not WILLING to give Iran, because they are characterized of grabber$, robber$, killer$ and thug$, and pretending to act in the name of democracy.

Obama is willing at least to listen to other nations and offer them decent and acceptable solutions, without letting the American interests in the dust.

-Way to go Obama, you''re my favorite candidate for now. American Interests go along with other Nations'''' interests.

[ajmarine1]

You are one of the most rational and intelligent posters on this site and whether or not we always agree it''''s a pleasure to discuss issues with you.

Posted by realpatriot1 at 08:48 PM : Nov 02, 2007

Same back at you.

Most people on here are Libs or Cons and they have their talking points, but they don''t seem to want to have an open mind as to what other people have to say. They just keep repeating what they say is the "truth" and what you say is wrong and you are an idiot.

I am an Independent and I hope whoever is in the White House has the countries best interests at heart.

[realpatriot1]

AJMarine1,

I know you aren''t trying to argue and I don''t mind information, believe it or not I know i''m wrong at least some of the times(who isn''t?).

You are one of the most rational and intelligent posters on this site and whether or not we always agree it''s a pleasure to discuss issues with you.

My original remarks weren''t intended to sanctify Clinton on North Korea or anything else, I was reacting to overstatements by badaxmofo that Clinton did zero on the issue and Bush was so much more wonderful. Bizzz and the rest who say that Clinton did nothing on the issue and that Bush has achieved a wonderful success are deranged, in my opinion.

I''ll give Bush 100% credit for one thing regarding North Korea-once he embargoed Nutjob''s cognac and other personal favorite goodies the tone from the North changed real quick.

[ajmarine1]

Posted by realpatriot1 at 08:48 PM : Nov 02, 2007



Clinton ''had plans to attack N. Korea reactor''
Monday, December 16, 2002 Posted: 8:40 AM EST (1340 GMT)

Clinton said North Korea might be tempted to sell nuclear weapons to anyone willing to pay


ROTTERDAM, The Netherlands -- Former U.S. President Bill Clinton says he had plans in the early 1990s to attack and destroy North Korea''s nuclear facilities after the secretive communist state was found to be producing weapons-grade plutonium.

At the time, he said, North Korea had plans to produce between six and eight nuclear weapons per year.

"We actually drew up plans to attack North Korea and to destroy their reactors and we told them we would attack unless they ended their nuclear program," Clinton told a security forum in the Dutch port city of Rotterdam Sunday.

"We were in a very intense situation," he said.


http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/15/nkorea.us/index.html


Real,

I''m not arguing with you, just posting some information.

People want to say that Bush didn''t deal properly with North Korea; heck, with that nut case they have running that country, who knows what to do with him.

Personally, I think we should take our 34,000 troops out of South Korea and let the countries that live in that area deal with North Korea; after almost 60 years, it''s time to come home.

[realpatriot1]

AJMarine1,

It wasn''t my intent to imply that no cheating by North Korea went on during the Clinton administration.

It would be nice to prevent nations from enriching uranium, but that''s an area more difficult to verify than a full blown weapons development program which generally follows afterward.

What I was talking about was the agreement to place monitors in the large reactors that we knew about and would be needed for full scale production. Those monitors were removed after the axis of evil remarks
and now are being restored now that NK has actual missles.

I''m not contending that Clinton had a lock solid agreement that NK couldn''t cheat on at all because that would be impossible.

I''m contending that NK couldn''t have taken the next step of actually developing the weapons if the monitoring and inspections had been ongoing and if once they were suspended we had acted diplomatically and more quickly and held back on the sabre-rattling which compromised our ability to get other countries to turn up the heat before they had time to produce nukes.

[realpatriot1]

bizzzz,

What I''m saying about Bush on North Korea is that he created a mess where the Clinton policy was working, couldn''t fix it within his own Administration, and had to call in reinforcements from the Clinton Administration to clean up his mess.

Yes, that was a good thing.

Prinzowhales,

AJ Marine1 is correct about Hezballah provoking the Israeli incursion into Lebanon. Regarding the job of the government of Lebnon, if the Syrian occupiers would go back to Syria where they belong and if Assad would stop killing th legitimate leaders of the Lebanese people then the Lebanese people could live in peace.

I''m not excusing the instances when Israel has been the agressor in Lebanon and in other conflicts, but I won''t justify agression on either side when what''s needed by all sides is diplomacy and compromise, not eternal conflict.

The Israelis went in, responded to Hezballah, and left. When will the Syrians take their hands off Lebanon?

[ajmarine1]

AJMarine1--Hezb''''allah stepped in and did what the Lebanese government would not, or could not do, drive the occupying forces from Lebanon...not once, but twice

Posted by Prinzowhales at 06:27 PM : Nov 02, 2007


The second time Israel went into Lebanon was after the cross border raid into Israel by Hezballah and the killing and capturing of Israeli soldiers.

I know, I know, people say the reaction by Israel was "disproportionate" to what Hezballah did.

Who''s to say what the "appropriate" response should have been.

[tibu987]

I hope that the U.S. will not invade Iran.
But if so, it should be predominantly a strategic air operation with few ground troops.
Surely, friendly spies, drone aircraft, satellite imaging, fighter and bomber aircraft should be sufficient.
Cut the losses of young Americans and innocent Iranians.

[prinzowhales]

Posted by bizzzz at 06:26 PM : Nov 02, 2007
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Terribly sorry, but was there a reply somewhere in the above to my query regarding a source for President
Ahmadinejad''s alleged millenarian disposition?

[prinzowhales]

AJMarine1--Hezb''allah stepped in and did what the Lebanese government would not, or could not do, drive the occupying forces from Lebanon...not once, but twice. They are now a considerable force in the Lebanese government...If I were Lebanese and loved my land, I would support Hezb''allah.

One of the reasons for government is to have protection and security--the government of Lebanon failed the people of Lebanon, particularly southern Lebanon, on every count--and the Phalangists (fascists) supported the invading Israelis like dirty little Quislings...As long as Israel holds Shabah Farms and other areas, holds Lebanese prisoners for years and violate the sovereignty of Lebanon in other ways, they provide a continued raison d''etre for Hezb''allah.

[bizzzz-2009]

Why don''t you quote me a source where President Ahmadinejad recites this tale...?

Prinzowhales,
First of all "recites this tale...???? Who talks like that? Is your accent a thick one or slight? The reason I ask is because it is so obvious that your probably not American, BUT IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN, YOU PROBABLY ONLY CALL YOURSELF AN AMERICAN WHEN SOMEBODY LIKE ME ACCUSES YOU OF NOT BEING ONE. AM I CORRECT? Surely around your own social circles you consider yourself either something else completely OR a "fill-in-the-blank" American.
What country do you REALLY show your loyalty to? No doubt a country that doesn''t have message board like this to spouse your opinions. Without question, a country your family fled from years ago. Your right, this country is worse. You should go back.