Comments on: Uproar Over Obama's Gospel Tour Continues

Gay Rights Groups Continue Campaign Against Donnie McClurkin's Scheduled Appearance In S.C.

[simonsez40]

Posted by chuck19563

Perhaps you might want to go back to the actual Hebrew and Greek transcripts and read the passages before you start arguing based on random verses from the bible. Sounds to me like you are just repeating the same old ''religious right'' rhetoric you''ve been hand-fed.

You can thank a homosexual (King James) for the bible you have in your hands today - do your research James had a long list of male lovers.

[simonsez40]

What I find interesting is when King James commissioned the bible to be transated - a openly known word for homosexuals in that time was INVERT....with that word available there was NEVER that reference used....

King James was affectionately called "Queen James" by his friends. Being gay himself, he would know if the Hebrew and Greek condemned homosexuality.

If indeed homosexuality was to be condemned Thomas Moore used the word "invert" in 1533. "Invert" was one of the words used to denote homosexuality.

So by the time of the writing of the King James version there were several words in use which would have condemned homosexuality. They WERE NOT used! Ask yourself: If there were plain and simple words to mean homosexuality why weren''t they used? Simply because homosexuality was not the issue in these passages that the religious right use. Almost every biblical scholar today will agree on that point.

It wasn''t until 1946 with the coming out of the Revised Standard Version (RSV) did we find the word homosexual in an English translation.

If Plato, Erasmus, Michaelangelo, James I of England and others were gay throughout history, surely people knew about homosexuality long before the religious right decided that it was a sin.

It is appalling to me that so many people follow fads and false teachers without even looking into the background of the things they are willing to condemn.

[sftodd]

It''''s funny how you homosexuals are quick to point out the murder of Matthew Sheppard, but not one of you will denounce the top 6 serial killers in American history, who were ALL gay.


Rick, your intellectual dishonesty is disgusting and I''m sure Jesus is quite embarrassed to have such a false advocate. I don''t know a single gay person who would not absolutely condemn a serial killer, whether gay or straight, and you cannot find one or name one who would not. The difference is, of course, while you condemn a serial killer for being gay (loving others), gay people would condemn him for murdering (hurting others), which, in case you didn''t know, is against one of the Ten Commandments. Your dishonest arguments reveal a great deal about you, Rick.

[sftodd]

And I''ll continue to wait for sftodd to back up his claims that we have shown "hatred" on these boards.
I''ll also continue to wait for him to condemn his fellow homosexuals who were responsible for the most brutal murders in US history.
Posted by singinrick at 04:58 AM : Oct 26, 2007

Gee Rick, I''d say that by comparing me to a mass murderer just because I''m gay, well, that''s about as hateful as one can get. Case closed on that. Now, as for your ridiculous arguments that I should somehow condemn a serial killer, not because he killed people, but because he was gay, well, Hitler was heterosexual. Are you going to condemn all heterosexuals for the holocaust? Or, are you one of the deniers who only believes the "facts" he wants to believe?

Rick, I forgive you for going about "casting stones" and spreading hatred as though you are not yourself a sinner. Let''s hope Jesus will also forgive you for your intellectual dishonesty and for your vigorous denial of his true message: love one another.

I don''t need to go down a list of all the horrible heterosexuals that ever walked the face of this earth, and deliniate the people they murdered and the suffering they caused. First, I know that just because some heterosexuals have done some really gruesome and horrifying things, doesn''t mean that all heterosexuals are evil. Second, there''s not enough room on this page to list all the murders, crimes, etc. that have been committed by heterosexuals. Rick, your logic stinks. Case closed.

[chuck19563]

realpatriot1,

It is obvious you read the Bible less than I do.

John 1:1-5: In the beginning was the word (Jesus) and the word (Jesus) was with God, and the the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. vs. 5 states: And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness (world people...i.e. people not saved) did not comprehend it.

So when I quoted Lev. I''m Quoting Jesus because the words of the Bible are Christ.

Yes, God is a loving God but He is also a jealous God and he does have a wrathfull side.

His laws are made to be followed and not, as some say laws are made to be broken.

He''s given commandments to live by and if we chose not to follow them we miss who He is and have not part of Him.

I will not post any more concerning this because you believe what you want and can not change me nor I you. It is the annointing of the Holy Spirit which draws man to God. Without it, the truth is foolishness to man.

Goodbye and may you see the true light of God in days ahead.

chuck

[realpatriot1]

chuck19563,

First of all, my question wasn''t about Leviticus, it was about Jesus.

Secondly, My God doesn''t send down natural disasters to punish the sinful; my God so loved the world that he gave his only son to die for our sins. That''s a loving and forgiving God, not an angry and vengeful God.

Some people make the mistake in their interpretation of scripture of thinking that God is as petty as the primitive human beings who wrote down and continuously translated the scriptures.

God is great, God is not petty. At least mine is.

[usaprophet]

I support Ron Paul and his non-interventionist foreign policy. Hitlery wants to continue our illegal police action in Iraq until at least 2013, and she does not rule out a preemptive (nuclear) first strike against Iran. Ron Paul voted against the the (undeclared) war in Iraq, which was sold to us with lies. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies, the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. This war has cost more than 3,000 American lives and almost a trillion dollars. We must have new leadership in the White House to ensure this never happens again. Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have 750 foreign bases and troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women. We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing our borders against illegal immigrants and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution. Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations. Too often, we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised.

[grazinggoat]

SickRick, The Creator who decided about men and women never said ALL women and men will find a opposite sexxed partner. Those who are ugly, those who are malformed, those who are sick in their mind (mentals), are not to marry, love and be loved! As much as this the Nature has provided within its bounty, a different but natural class of behavior; homosexxuality! Because it''s a variation of the Creation, it should be accepted by Human civilizations. It got to! It is there. What superior and unrefutable proof you need? Just look in the Animal Kingdom Homosexxuality is prevalent at lower rate than heterosexxuality, that is meant in order to perpetuate the species, but it''s there. So it is in Humans...

[grazinggoat]

The pro-homosexual movement can only marginalize us if we allow ourselves to be marginalized. There are two ways we can do that: a) we exhibit hate toward homosexuals rather than love, or b) we remain silent. We must proudly champion God''''s love toward the homosexual without condoning his or her behavior. Let His love shine through us, and may we all be examples of the morality God desires.
Posted by singinrick at 09:27 AM : Oct 27, 2007

-SickRick, I always thought you are an hypocrite.

[hippychicky-2009]

You homosexuals are always trying to ram your sinful lifestyle on the rest of our culture all while claiming to be the victims here, but the Truth is you just don''''t want anyone else to have a say so...you want all the speeches, and noone else is allowed to oppose you.
Posted by singinrick

You good christian folk were spreading your "love" at that poor soldier''s funeral huh?
The sort of love that condemns the different, and condones segregation.
I don''t care if you oppose me, just don''t infringe on my equal rights.

[simonsez40]

You spew hate singinrick because you hate what you are INSIDE.....it must be a hard life wking up to a woman you claim to love - and you''d rather be your true self.........sucks to be such a miserable, hating and unhappy ''christian''........

I wake up every morning next to the love of my life and my wonderful children.....we certainly harbor not hatred and malice like your christianity....

My God will judge me - certainly not you Music Minister....

[simonsez40]

Singinrick - you can pick statistic out of the internet all you want to pinpoint homosexuals in a bad light - you twist the facts just like you twist scripture - all in the name of God. I know you type and your brand of Christianity - I grew up watching it and living it - I can run circles around you and the gospel.

I classify you up there with Fred Phelps at Westboro BAPTIST CHURCH in Topeka, KS............your brand of Christianity concentrates on hatred and findng a cause to condemn - when the bible clearly states tolerance, love and understanding for all mankind. You chose to skew the scripture to fit todays PROTESTANT stance.....

You are no more worthy of saying your interpretation of the bible is right than mine.......we each are accountable to our God.......your words have NO BEARING on my life. I can tell you - you sound like a miserable and unhappy closeted gay man - living under the desguise of a holy, straight and married man......follow that path and I''m sure we''ll see the truth about you in a few years when you figure it out...

Those that yell the loudest are usually the ones suppressing what they really are...I''ve seen it over 40 years....I know your hypocrite types.....

[chuck19563]

realpatriot1

To answer your questions:

1. It rains on the just and unjust. (Maybe, we in the church have failed in our prayer life which contributed to this disaster.)

2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

2. Reading post since I posted my first post, you will see dozen of scriptures stating man should not lay with man, God made a man and a woman,

What constitutes an abomination in God''s eyes.

(I''ll ask again..where did Jesus say that homosexuality was a sin or to condemn others for their sins?)...
I know not all will agree with what I and others post about the bad side of the homosexual lifestyle but the truth is what sets people free. The Bible is true! I would ask have you read it?

I really feel bad for those caught in not only this sin but any sin which separates them from the love of the Father (God).

Bible: Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Thanks for asking.

[sanchodad]

Im not Gay, sometimes I`m happy and I smile alot, but I wouldn`t classify myself as "gay" . I was real silly as a child, I guess I am goofier than gay. I`m am Bi .I have spoken two languages since I was a small child. I think that speaking two languages is a great benerfit in todays society. Maybe I should become tri. I am not a lesbian. One day I was at a bar and a very sweet lady sat down next to me. We were laughing and talking and having a great time. She said "now David, befor we go any further I would like you to know that I am a lesbian " I said " Oh really , what part of Lesbia are you from ?" She laughed and never answered my question. We had a great time for the rest of the night .Them there lesbians seem like awful nice people. I do have a tempermental "tarnny" though". Sometimes, when I need it most my car really acts up. My tranny misbehaves and acts up ,gets hot and makes awful noises. With a little love and tenderness, a few tears, my tranny seems to come back to life. I need to pay more attention to my tranny. I don`t understand why the gay people, the bi`s or the the people with tranny problems are upset with Barack Obama. He has always stood by us and never tried to keep us at arms length.
I know there are people that don`t understand these issues and Barack Obama has started a great dialogue.

[underbear1]

Obama = Alan Keyes only taller

Hillary = Lieberman with a fake laugh

Keep this up Democrats and you''ll succeed in LOSING another unloseable election

[underbear1]

South Carolina EQUALITY

Light a candle for me. Light up the whole night sky of this gospel Hate-Fest!
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McClurkin,

Nail that CLOSET shut with 9 inch spikes, cuz if the LGBT community catches you tricking with a man,(and we WILL), you''ll think Larry Craig and Ted Haggard got off EASY. You and You alone are making Obama''s campaign something openly proud queers won''t support in 08''.

Rev Sidden,
You diminish yourself fronting for this BULLSH*T

[bill_g3]

realpatriot1,

you asked, you received

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

what? Jesus didn''t say that? wanna bet?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

there is your proof of Jesus Word.

Now your second part that Jesus DID NOT say to condemn others for their sins. He commanded us to REPENT of OUR sins. A true Christian will love, pray for, and encourage a sinner to change from a sinful behavior but anyone who try to force the changes does more damage to everyone around. God/Jesus gave all of us a choice and whatever choice you choose will determine where you will spend your eternal time. The Choices are accept God or Reject Him. When you accept Him your Life WILL change like McClurkin as God will not let you fight your "sin" alone. If you don''t want give up your life style which mean you love the sin and You rejected God.

It sound like those homosexual who rejected McClurkin are "Christiaphobo".

[realpatriot1]

chuck19563,

Since you know that the devastation in California is God''s retribution against those who don''t accept your consevative views, explain why the fires hit in the most conservative areas of the state. Tornado ally is highly conservative, is that God''s retribution? You''re talking hate, not common sense.

singinrick,

I''ll ask again..where did Jesus say that homosexuality was a sin or to condemn others for their sins? Jesus commands us all to deal with our own sins!

Everyone is responsible for their own spiritual path and no one else''s and part of each Christian''s spiritual path is to love your neighbor as yourself, ALL your neighbors.

You challenge the findings that homosexuality is genetic. You may be right and you may be wrong, you offer no science or studies of your own to dispute the
findings, and you make other unsubstantiated claims about conversion studies being successful, about converting a homosexual yourself,and, that homosexuals are a small part of the population(since many are in the closet how would you determine this?).

You have every right to your views and your faith but your scientific opinions like your scriptural interpretations are your and are not backed up by either independent science or the words of Jesus.

[keltoid]

Re: Homosexuality as a choice. Many homosexuals do not like the idea of their sexual orientation being classified as a choice, but rather that it is their genetic makeup that determines their sexual orientation. If genetics and other hereditary factors are the means by which a person''s sexual orientation is determined, then how does this genetic trait pass on? If sexual intercourse is performed solely with the same ***, copulation cannot occur and that genetic trait would not carry on to the next generation-true?

[keltoid]

Re: Homosexuality as a choice. Many homosexuals do not like the idea of their sexual orientation being classified as a choice, but rather that it is their genetic makeup that determines their sexual orientation. If genetic''s and other hereditary factors are the means by which a person''s sexual orientation is determined, then how does this genetic trait pass on? If sexual intercourse is performed solely with the same ***, copulation cannot occur and that genetic trait would not carry on to the next generation-true?