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[jankebenz]

Singinrick, do you know the old hymn "onward christian soldiers" it comes to mind as we do battle on these posts

Onward Christian Soldiers Hymn
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

Refrain

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.

At the sign of triumph Satan%u2019s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell%u2019s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

[candide777]

It''s got nothing to do with "imposing anyone''''s beliefs", it has something to do with standing up for the Truth in the Word of God. Posted by singinrick at 07:20 PM : Oct 24, 2007

Singinrick, when you inject your religion into government for no reason other than the fact that it is "God''s law," you are imposing your religious beliefs on others, whether you are honest enough to admit that or not. You cannot give "God''s law" as even a partial reason for a law without imposing your religion on others. It''s a matter of simple logic, which you would do well to take a course in. A free society does not make murder illegal because "it''s God''s law." Rather, it makes murder illegal because murder infringes on the rights of another human being and because we are all better off with a society in which murder is illegal, period, end of story. That is where the "reasons" behind government begin and end, in a free society. Once you start legislating something because "it''s God''s law," you are no different than an Islamic extremist except that they are honest about what they are doing, and in that regard, they are your moral superior. Singinrick, the choices are simple, either (a) admit you want to force your own personal religious beliefs upon others; (b) stop advocating for government based on God''s law; or (c) lose all credibility due to your intellectual dishonesty. I already know which one you''ll choose; seen it a million times.

[jankebenz]

hippychicky, 1st of all I do not point my finger at anyone, but I do point to the scriptures for guidance and referance. I''m sure that if I gave you the original greek texts, you would still find excuses to find fault and rationalize your lifestyle As I said before, its your choice, but is it the right choice?

[hippychicky-2009]

Galatians 5 has more to say about christian living : The things your sinful old self wants to do are: *** sins, sinful desires, wild living ect.ect. I told you before and I am telling you again that those who do these things will have no place in the holy nation of God. 22


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Posted by jankebenz

So then you are also pointing the finger at those that commit adultrey, get divorces, lust after your neighbors material things - keeping up with the joneses.....people that spare the rod to spoil the child....this can be applied to humanity?

Where does this refer to gay people?

[hippychicky-2009]

This common Greek word had different connotations depending on the context in which it was used. In terms of morality, it generally referred to something like laziness, degeneracy, decadence, or lack of courage. The connotation was of being %u201Csoft like a woman%u201D or like the delicate expensive fabrics worn by rich men. In the patriarchal culture of the time, women were thought to be weaker than men, more fearful, more vulnerable, and more vain. Thus, men who ate too much, liked expensive things, were lazy, or liked to dress well were considered %u201Csoft like a woman.%u201D Although this type of misogynistic thinking is intolerable in our modern society, it was common in ancient times and explains why the King James Version translated malakoi as %u201Ceffeminate.%u201D

[hippychicky-2009]

%u201CKnow ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves . . . shall inherit the kingdom of God.%u201D

Note 1. William Arndt, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (University of Chicago Press, Chicago, 1979), page 489.
In this passage there are two key phrases relevant to our discussion. First there is the reference to %u201Ceffeminate%u201D persons, which is often viewed as a reference to nelly gay men. In truth, however, the Greek word translated %u201Ceffeminate%u201D in verse 9 is quite broad. The word is malakoi, and it literally means %u201Csoft.%u201D So Paul is saying %u201Csoft people%u201D will not inherit the kingdom of God. Since we know Paul was not talking about the Pillsbury Dough Boy, we have to ask what he meant.

Nissinen also offers %u201Cfrailty of body or character, illness, sentimentality, or moral weakness%u201D as other possibilities for the meaning of this word in other contexts.

[jankebenz]

Galatians 5 has more to say about christian living : The things your sinful old self wants to do are: *** sins, sinful desires, wild living ect.ect. I told you before and I am telling you again that those who do these things will have no place in the holy nation of God. 22

[sftodd]

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, NIV)
Posted by jankebenz at 05:15 PM : Oct 24, 2007

Cool, dude, I''d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints! I was worried I might spend an eternity in heaven with the likes of you! I have two words for what''s going to happen after you are raptured out of here: Par Tay!

[hippychicky-2009]

jankebenz:
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

The NIV rewords the original text..proving that there are different interpretations for everyone who reads it.
Let us all live and let live..

[jankebenz]

Rick a homosexual can be who they are and still be Christian...
The way you look at it, its just like any other sin...
We are all sinners right..doesn''''t make them any less christian..

Posted by hippychicky at 04:37 PM : Oct 24, 2007

hippychicky,the bible disagrees with you about claiming to be a christian and yet living in sin

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, NIV)

We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers%u2014and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. (1 Timothy 1:9-11, NIV)

[sftodd]

Singinrick, the most devout Christian I ever knew use to tell me, "It''s the empty barrel that makes the most noise."

I gotta say, after looking through these posts, she''s made a believer out of me. You win the empty barrel prize! LOL!

[realpatriot1]

rick,

I called you haters after you called me a liar and intimated that I was a phony Christian because I comprehend a different truth than you. Your words make it clear that you are a hater.

All your words do not come from scripture and you have yet to show where Christ said homosexuality was a sin because he didn''t. But that''s ok.

[hippychicky-2009]

The lbgt community is well known group advocating for the advancement of homosexual rights ,freedoms,and recognition much akin to the peta group in lobbying the government and law makers in their self intrests and ldeals. No biggy, just another one of the hordes of self serving delusional people who want it their way. By the way , is the "hippy" part of your post name equated with the free love,flower power 60''''s movement ?
Posted by jankebenz

Well that was a really negative out look on the LGBT community. Yeah I do identify alot of values from that era although I did not grow up in it.
I do know the bible well, got sent to bible camp and behavior modification to fix my sinful ways when I was 14 on 4 different occasions. So I know your kind I was raised by them, and they are wonderful parents who would do anything for me. Do they accept me, no..but they love me..
I am most encouraged though by christians that are like my wife''s parents. She is a preacher''s kid..
And they open their arms in love to us both and our children, their grandchildren. They don''t feel the need to proselytize to us.

[candide777]

Singinrick -- you live in a democracy, not a theocracy. Like it or not, you do not get to impose your moral beliefs on the rest of us anymore than we are entitled to impose our beliefs on you. You, of all people, should honor and respect the values upon which this country was founded. Instead, you actively argue in favor of inequality under the law, which our Constitution forbids. You can say all you want about how many founding members of our Constitutional government were Christian, but the fact remains, they and many, many other noble Americans fought, bled and died to have a government that would not impose a particular religion or belief system on the people, but would respect the right of each individual to believe and to practice (or not) as he or she chooses. You really should be ashamed of yourself for advocating the kind of government that could ultimately lead to outlawing the practice of your own faith. People like you are dangerous to freedom and a threat to the values and principals that make ours the greatest country on earth. I hope you will reconsider and recognize that it is possible for civilized and free people to respectfully disagree without depriving each other of their civil rights.

[hippychicky-2009]

So you can say what you want, but the power of the Lord Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit has helped many former homosexuals come to know Him, and I have experienced it first hand seeing a homosexual come to know Christ and repent of his sins.
Posted by singinrick

Rick a homosexual can be who they are and still be Christian...
The way you look at it, its just like any other sin...
We are all sinners right..doesn''t make them any less christian..

[hippychicky-2009]

singinrick - the bible isn''''t a tool to manipulate your beliefs on me. My journey is just THAT an individual journey with Jesus Christ....

Once I asked him into my heart and asked for his foregiveness - I was a child of god. I still am everyday - and I''''m sorry you aren''''t comfortable loving and accepting Gods creation......

Judge lest ye be judged........your interpretations aren''''t mine - if we all read it the same their would be one Protestant religion instead of 33,000.
Posted by simonsez40

That was wonderful simon, couldn''t have said it better myself.
Rick I can''t believe your still at it...
I think I have agreed to disagree with you.
Do you understand that by witnessing so vehemently that you actually turn people off?
Learn to love your neighbor and accept them as they are...

[hippychicky-2009]

Transgender freaks arent human and dont deserve human rights.
Posted by screen_ident

Everyone deserves basic human rights...so sad that you are so hatefilled that you need to criticize someone who is just different from you....

[realpatriot1]

singinrick,

When I taught the Bible the subject of homosexuality never came up because I was too busy teaching kids to love their neighbor as themselves, to let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I focused on Jesus and what he preached to us.

You say Jesus is God. Who was he talking to on the cross when he asked'' Father, why have you forsaken me?" You think you, and only you and those who agree with you on this issue, have all the answers and all the correct interpretations, and clearly you don''t.

You say that you answer all questions yet you still haven''t answered mine, where does Jesus say that homosexuality is a sin? I''m not ridiculing you, I haven''t called YOU a liar or intimated that you aren''t a true Christian. When people question you it''s hate and being anti-Christian but when you call others names, question their faith,seemingly root against their salvation, what are you being?

You say that you are not without sin but are righteous and those of us who don''t agree with you are sinful and controlled by evil. Whose ridiculing whom?

[jankebenz]

Rick, I tried to e mail you but delivery failed,can you e mail me if you still have address, or do you want to post your address? janke

[name_verify]

Transgender freaks arent human and dont deserve human rights.