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Republican Hopefuls Argue Over Who Is Most Conservative During Florida Debate

[dmhphils]

Great, so now I can go commit any monstrous acts against my fellow man, knowing that I will still get my "pie in the sky". Conversely, I should accept the same acts committed against me, for the same reason.

Riiight.




Posted by brianbwb at 07:09 AM : Oct 22, 2007
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If you were in prison with a death sentence, and on the hour of your execution, the guard said someone has offered to be executed in your place, you''re free to go..........what kind of person would that make you if you went out and committed the same crimes all over again?? I would say ungrateful. I don''t think you have many REAL friends do you?

[iceman_1960]

"Iceman, do you understand the phrase "the wages of sin" ? wages is payment. Have you ever sinned? Of course you have......there is no one who hasn''''t except Jesus Christ."
- Posted by dmhphils at 07:12 AM : Oct 22, 2007

Jesus himself never claimed that he was sinless.

Others did, but Jesus said, "Why do you call me good ? Only God is good."

And then there"s the time he lost his temper with that Phoenician woman and called her a dog.

That isn"t a sin ? To fly off the handle and call a woman a dog ?

[brianbwb-2009]

Human sacrifice, what a barbaric concept, whether it was Isa Bin Yusuf, or the Mayans, or anyone, the superstition of blood sacrifice is a hideous, barbaric waste of life, yet we are told to be happy about it.

Doesn''t work for me

[dmhphils]

Jesus didn"t say "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" in the Garden of Gesthemane.

He said that when He was on the cross.




Posted by Iceman_1960 at 07:10 AM : Oct 22, 2007

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Are you familiar with the words Jesus spoke, "You strain out a knat and swallow a camel"/? I think I see a camel hump in your throat.

[dmhphils]

Iceman, do you understand the phrase "the wages of sin" ? wages is payment. Have you ever sinned? Of course you have......there is no one who hasn''t except Jesus Christ. Even if you kept the ten commandments and then had an outburst of anger at your wife or kids, you have sinned. Therefore, you deserve death, as does everyone else. Jesus died that death that you owe so you wouldn''t have to perish. But you must appropriate that by believing it with all your heart.

[iceman_1960]

"Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane was certainly not afraid of death......that is not what produced the sweating drops of blood... Therefore you hear Him crying out to His Father, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" He had never called His Father "God" before."
- Posted by dmhphils at 06:51 AM : Oct 22, 2007

You"re getting a little mixed up here.

Let a secular humanist straighten you out.

Jesus didn"t say "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" in the Garden of Gesthemane.

He said that when He was on the cross.

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by dmhphils

Great, so now I can go commit any monstrous acts against my fellow man, knowing that I will still get my "pie in the sky". Conversely, I should accept the same acts committed against me, for the same reason.

Riiight.

[dmhphils]

"...the Sin Bearer who would take away the sins of the world...."

..that were put right back by subsequent generations of hypocrites...




Posted by brianbwb at 06:56 AM : Oct 22, 2007
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He was the sin bearer for the WHOLE WORLD, PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE///ALL! He was not an animal sacrifice that had to be done everytime someone sins. He was sinless, perfect, spotless. He is the only one who could save the human race. If you understand that the world is ALREADY CONDEMNED, not going to be....it already is, because God sacrificed His Son Jesus for our sins and that is the escape.

[iceman_1960]

"We are the ones who deserve to be forsaken by God, and Jesus took it for us."
- Posted by dmhphils at 06:51 AM : Oct 22, 2007

This argument is very suspicious.

Too many human scams work this way.

You put someone in an impossible situation so that you can come along and save them from it, earning their gratitude and loyalty.

Now...getting back to those impossible camel caravans in Genesis...

[brianbwb-2009]

"...the Sin Bearer who would take away the sins of the world...."

..that were put right back by subsequent generations of hypocrites...

[iceman_1960]

RE: Post by Iceman_1960 at 06:50 AM : Oct 22, 2007

Sweden even had kinder, gentler Vikings than the other Scandinavian countries.

[brianbwb-2009]

"This nation is predominantly Christians which is why God has so richly blessed our nation... If you want an atheist nation IceMan, move to Sweden."
- Posted by singinrick at 06:33 AM : Oct 22, 2007

Lets see, born from rebellion, nursed in the blood of genocide, built by slaves, comforted by greed, powered by war. Yep, the Good ol'' US of A is a "KKKhristian kkkountry" yes indeedie...

[dmhphils]

What was Jesus doing in the Garden of Gesthemene ?

Worrying about taxes ?




Posted by Iceman_1960 at 06:32 AM : Oct 22, 2007
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Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane was certainly not afraid of death......that is not what produced the sweating drops of blood. He was to be made sin for us and therefore would be separated from His Father for the first time by that sin. He was the Lamb of God....the Sin Bearer who would take away the sins of the world. Therefore you hear Him crying out to His Father, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" He had never called His Father "God" before. He was forsaken for you and me because He had become the sin bearer. We are the ones who deserve to be forsaken by God, and Jesus took it for us. Fear never entered the picture.

[iceman_1960]

"This nation is predominantly Christians which is why God has so richly blessed our nation... If you want an atheist nation IceMan, move to Sweden."
- Posted by singinrick at 06:33 AM : Oct 22, 2007

Thanks.

One can"t help but wonder, why God so richly blessed atheistic Sweden, which has a higher standard of living than America has, less crime, less poverty, better education levels, a longer lifespan, relative freedom from natural catastrophes, and a record of generous giving to international relief causes that other nations can only envy.

[brianbwb-2009]

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr,
der protestieren konnte.

-- Der Weg ins Freie, Martin NiemC6ller (F.M. Hellbach, Stuttgart, 1946)

When the Nazis arrested the Communists,
I said nothing; I was not a Communist.
When they locked up the Social Democrats,
I said nothing; I was not a Social Democrat.
When they arrested the trade unionists,
I said nothing; I was not a trade unionist.
When they arrested the Jews,
I said nothing; I was not a Jew.
When they arrested me, there was no longer anyone who could protest.

German Nazis = American Republicans, can it get any clearer?

[dmhphils]

immense value of your national Union to your collective and individual happiness

Posted by Iceman_1960 at 06:29 AM : Oct 22, 2007
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That UNION being ONE NATION UNDER GOD!!!
There is no other way to unite a people. People don''t have unity because they are all in the same room, singing the same songs......Unity is in the heart, not in your head.

[iceman_1960]

There ARE spurious Washington quotes out there, but the one singinrick mentioned is not one of them.

Washington was a pious Christian, although the American Revolution was as clear a violation of Biblical belief as public idolatry at the altar of Baal would be.

Paul threatened with eternal d*amnation, those who rebel against earthly authority.

[dmhphils]

Death is the one event that puts us all on the same ground. You might be a liberal....and think you have it all figured out. Or you might be a conservative and think the same as well, but the one event that will put you to the test is death. It has a way, which God intended, to get down to core of our hearts. It is desperate ground. The bright side is that the Holy Spirit is here in the earth speaking to the hearts of men, some near death, some dying, to convince them of the truth about Who Jesus is in their hour of death because God does not desire that any man or woman perish. He wants all to be saved. It is a pity that so many have to be so near death before they believe this.

[iceman_1960]

"I see Ice_Man so your George Washington quotes are legitimate ones, but the quotes where he said it is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible are simply concocted phrases invented on the internet when someone does a google search right???"
- Posted by singinrick at 06:33 AM : Oct 22, 2007

I know that was meant sarcastically, because I have never questioned the authenticity of that Washington quote.

I feel myself capable of agreeing with Washington about some things, and disagreeing with him about others, which is a freedom Washington and others obtained for me at the risk of their lives and fortunes.

[iceman_1960]

RE: "Only the Christian doesn"t fear death....."

What was Jesus doing in the Garden of Gesthemene ?

Worrying about taxes ?