Comments on: Bush To Pelosi: Kids' Health Veto Coming

President Tells Speaker That He Will Veto SCHIP Bill Despite Congressional Support

[tbuccelli]

brianbwb: Please clarify how the current bill will be inadequate? From what I have read, it will not only cover 4.1M children w/o insurance, but also over 2M children that already have insurance. Are you saying the coverage given to them will not be enough, what is excluded from this insurance program?

Also, as to affecting the CEOs of the insurance companies, do you really think it will affect them. Chances are they have been paid enough already that they could still live comfortably on what assets they have if they are fired. They may even move to become CEOs of companies in other industries. Also, most insurance companies are not just healthcare, so they may still have a job. Now the everyday workers for the company may have issues as they are laid off as people move to the government programs. Some may become government workers, but that really helps the economy as a whole.

Besides with the CEOs and upper executives, we are talking what, maybe 1000 people?

[brianbwb-2009]

As for Bush and his cronies, socialized medicine would not affect them at all, one way or the other. Posted by tmbuccelli

Yes it would, who do you think are the CEOs of the current insurance companies, who currently make megabucks by colluding to fix prices, and would be the most threatened by an alternative to pressure their prices down?

[brianbwb-2009]

"If the Democrats "really" cared about "the children", they would have sent a bill that they weren''''t certain would be vetoed." Posted by tmbuccelli

A bill that passes but doesn''t provide adequate services for those in need, is NOT better than none at all, it is worse, because after all the crowing and strutting by the winner, the program does not succeed, the budget for that is wasted, and no one even tries to make a working program.

Even the one Bush will veto is stupidly inadequate, both in services rendered, and the means to pay for it, but Bush will veto it not for this reason, but because it is antithetical to his "privatize everything under the sun, and the sun too, if we can find a way to control it" philosophy. I would have proposed a cheaper, but much more radical plan, that would work, but is even more "anti privatize" than Bush''s little brain can manage.

[tbuccelli]

socrates392: I guess I have negative views about "socialized" medicine due to my conversations w/friends and co-workers from Canada (waitlists, etc). Basically, healthplan w/controls managed by the goverment, thereby costing quite a bit. If you are not in the middle class, or even upper lower class, then yes, you might end up better as you won''t end up loosing another 10+% of your salary, me I worry.

As for Bush and his cronies, socialized medicine would not affect them at all, one way or the other. It would not affect the "rich" at all. Socialized medicine will affect the middle class, it will be like the HMO systems, but run by the Government, the same people that brought you the DMV and this war.

As for the waste here somehow being OK due to the waste in war spending, why can''t you be against waste in both cases, or are you only against something if republicans are involved?

Again, what is wrong with this is that the dems in congress are putting on this "show" to damage the president, not to help children. They care _NOTHING_ about the children, or they would have tried to work with bush to pass a bill that would have been signed. Maybe not covering the extra 2M kids that already have insurance (which is rightly seen as expanded government control of healthcare).

Ah, but yes, actually getting legistlation enacted would have benefited the president in some way in addition to actually helping the kids that need help, and the democrats in charge couldn''t have that.

[socrates392]

Posted by tmbuccelli at 01:54 AM : Sep 29, 2007

And what''s so bad about socialized medicine? Oh, yeah, I forgot, it actually benefits the American people, not just Bush and his billionaire cronies?

Also, why are you all up in arms about this 12 Billion dollars of "wasted" money, when we are wasting 190 billion on the war? Wouldn''t your adventures on Factcheck.org be better spent exposing the needless spending that is going into this stupid, pointless war!

Get your priorities straight!

[tbuccelli]

If the Democrats "really" cared about "the children", they would have sent a bill that they weren''t certain would be vetoed. They are doing this for pure political reasons, screw the children. According to Factcheck.org, the democrats proposed bill would cover 4.1M children that need insurance, but also 2M+ children that already have insurance. 67% is a ''D''. If factcheck.org is correct, then the extra 2M represents nothing more than a democratic push towards socialized medicine. Could they have limited the bill to not cover those extra 2M children that already have insurance? Could they have saved $12B in cost in doing so, and maybe been closer to getting this signed? Maybe, but that would not have given them the theater they want. Politicians do NOT care about the children, they only care about furthering their own careers and the sheep out there (both democrats and republicans) fall for it.

[socrates392]

"Bush To Pelosi: Kids'' Health Veto Coming"

Don''t you mean, "Bush To Pelosi: I Hate Childrens"?

[fairandbal]

Why does the GOP hate American Children? Bush''''s ''''leave no billionare behind'''' act is a resounding success. His oil buddies get to keep their million dollar US government subsidies while they''''re raking in BILLION Dollar quarterly profits. CEO''''s at Cheney''''s company, Halliburton, get multi-million dollar gifts in no bid contracts. But, but but, if you happen to be a poor child living in America, Bush has these words for you... ''''s-c-r-e-w y-o-u''''.
The GOP party really really has no moral ground to stand on anymore.

[fairandbal]

Why does the GOP hate American Children? Bush''s ''leave no billionare behind'' act is a resounding success. His oil buddies get to keep their million dollar US government subsidies while they''re raking in BILLION Dollar quarterly profits. CEO''s at Cheney''s company, Halliburton, get multi-million dollar gifts in no bid contracts. But, but but, if you happen to be a poor child living in America, Bush has these words for you... ''s-c-r-e-w y-o-u''.
The GOP party really really has no moral ground to stand on anymore.

[clarkpaul]

This is a good bill.
The sound bites are CHILDREN and HEALTH. These will be in the political commercials in 2008.
Any congressman or senator voting against this will lose in 2008.