Comments on: George W. Bush: Promises, Promises

The Pledges The President Made Three Years Ago Now Seem Easier Made Than Kept

[lars008-2009]

LOOK WHO IS TARGETING CIVILIANS!!!

Qaeda warns of attacks ''worse than 9/11''
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070530102648.wuwa6k96&show_article=1

Hizbullah Deputy Sec-Gen Sheikh Naim Qassem: We Have Jurisprudent Permission to Carry Out ''Martyrdom'' Operations, Fire Missiles on Israeli Civilians From Ayatollah Khomeini
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD154907

Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp

But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.

"It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.

Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.

The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108
American Al Qaeda Member Threatens Attack
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/29/terror/main2865282.shtml

[pwrslm]

Posted by realpatriot1

so you make claims about tactical nukes and attacking iran, now you claim our special forces are in iran to destablize its government

reality; We have had SF on the ground in Iran since 2005, maybe even 2004. WHY? To ID potential targets "IF'' we have to go in and destroy them. It would be stupid to go in BLIND, eh mr gossip?

We are not there to be heard or seen. They are not there to destablize the Iranian Government. They have not been caught "there" at all doing "anything". But it would be stupid of our military to be ignorant of the county. We did the same thing in Afghanistan, and Iraq before we did anything. We did/do the same thing to several other locations, including locations in North Korea, China, Chechnya, Sudan, Libia, and Russia (and others), and we did nothing.

So, what exact evidence do you have to show we are trying to destablize the Iranian Government by using the SF in Iran? Please, even CBS would be interested in knowing this......

[lostcountry1]

IM NOT A DIVIDER, IM A UNITER! simply put. george w bush is a LIAR, LIAR!

[realpatriot1]

cfin5,

I wanted Wes Clark in 2004 too. I hope he''s the next Sec. of defense, if not the veep.

pwrslm,

Iran hasn''t directly attacked our troops, our Sepcial Forces have been conducting actities inside of Iran for months to destablize their goverbment and they feel justified in arming their fellow Shiites who feel their country is being occupied by outsiders(guess who).

If you think they''re arming the insurgency now, let''s just stir up the hornet''s nest and see what happens next.

Bringing China & Russia into it on the side of Iran will be just brilliant.

Why don''t we do what we should''ve done with Iraq and build an international coalition to pressure Iran?

[cfin5]

pwrslm,.....That''s exactly my point. We already had Iraq corralled up to not being able to really do much. The Persians are the real threat with their growing nuclear capabilities. If we need to do something in the military department, do it surgically and then let them start their own rebuilding program. I was and still am not for ANY of our nation- rebuilding welfare program. If a people want to be free on their own dirt, then they need to do it on their own dirt. I really could care less what they believe or what they think of us. Maybe they will think twice about who they will have for their next leaders........Gotta go! Every one have a good and safe Labor Day! By the way, Labor Day does not mean you have to do double time. Go fishing with a kid and a new tube of super glue to attach a cricket to a smaller than normally needed hook. Un-wounded bait will skeeter around on top of the water ''ell of a lot longer!No lead weights (just a bobber)to float''em for Bass. Sink''em with lead for Catfish. Beware of the Bluegills! Nothing funner than seeing a kid have a good day at fishing!

[realpatriot1]

I did misspeak when I sai the analysts opinions are unanimous, they''re divided. Most of the objecters don''t doubt that we can set back their program(if we correctly identify the correct targets), what worries most is what the response from Iran will be and how we contain the fallout so to speak.

I never said that Sadaam''s WMD never existed, I said there''s no conclusive evidence to what happened to it.

Congrss gave Bush authority to confront Sadaam, not Iran. The pretense for action isn''t attacks on our troops in Iraq, it''s to destroy nuclear infrastructure.

[pwrslm]

So and so said such and such can be posted by anyone. I gave you a direct link to the statement I posted describing a 3 day blitz.

Then you come back describing Israeli war games. Israel is not the US. They do have thier own agenda, and have every right to be prepared to fight against any nation that threatens its own security.

You claimed tactical nuclear attacks, now your back to the gossip columnists and "unidentified sources". Thats gossip. Is that it? Is that the entire jist of your intellect? What exact foundation do you have to make a statement that the US plans to use tactical nuclear weapons against Iran?

So far, you have totally lacked substance. Gossip is not a credible source of information. Do you have anything credible?

[realpatriot1]

pwrslm,

According to FoxNews(January 27,2007) Israel has war-gamed out using tactical nuclear weapons against the Iranian facilities.

Others who have spoken out include: Chuck Hagel, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen(R-Fl.),James carafano-Heritage Foundation,Ret. AF Lt. Col. Sam Gardiner,Joseph Cirincione-Carnegie Foundation,Richard Haas-former Bush State dept. Policy Director,Richard Clarke-former Bush & Clinton Counter-terrorism Chief, and many more military analysts from the major networks that i''ve seen recently.

Geoffrey Kemp, a middle east analyst has spoken with officials from the CIA & DIA who have war-gamed this out. The conclusion was, "No one liked the outcomes."

For further reading and more experts opposed to this, try: "Experts odubt expediency of attacking Iran"-SF Chron,,Jan. 25,2006; "Considering a war with Iran: A discussion paper on WMD in the middle east,Dr. Dan Plecsh & Martin Butcher.

By the way, the CIA concluded it would take 2 weeks of sustained bombing just to remove the Revolutionary guards,anti-ac,etc. before being able to get at the uranium facilities. Wes Clark also says it can be done in 2 weeks.And the Pentagon has a 3 day plan with no contingency for what happens on Day 4?

[sidkeith7]

The only thing that George W. Bush has ever done well with any degree of consistency is to let his jet propelled mouth write out bigger checks that his ox cart *** can not ever hope to cash!

(Nothing newsworthy here, folks, so move along to the funny papers where you just might find at least a glimmer of honesty, a commodity that will never be found within a country mile of THE FRAT BRAT WHITE HOUSE!)

[pwrslm]

oh,

and the President does have all the authority he needs to defend our troops in Iraq from any nation in the world, and Iranian military are shelling Iraq villages from across the border, as we speak......

Congress would have to be notified, buts that after the fact.

[pwrslm]

Posted by cfin5

Its not so much if we want to go into Iran CF. Its if we need to. Need is defined as self defense at this point. We have sufficient evidence that Iran is arming people in Iraq. Its no mistery that they are, the mistery is how far up the chain of command it goes. Its a case of plausible deniability, but the thing that cant be denied is that the military complex in Iran manufacture''s specific components found in detonated bombs in Iraq.

Technically, we are already under attack by Iran. Who in Iran is the issue. The control the religious police have over there is huge. Women get arrested for walking outside with out covering thier heads. Teenage kids get arrested for listening to Rock and Roll. There is no doubt that the forces involved in supplying arms to insurgents in Iraq are doing so under the blessing of the Iranian Government, no matter how covert it is.

[cfin5]

realpatriot1,.....My own understanding of this whole situation just shakes it head regarding the entire situation in the middle east. We used to be a country whose "armed-neutrality" stance in foreign relations seemed to serve us well against Europe''s troubles. But somehow there are those who always seem to be able with some excuse to drag us into these messes to save the world from itself. Since our teets are already in the ringer over there, this is why I really wanted Wes Clark to stay in the race in 2004 as his record in NATO gave him clout in dealing with religious civil contests. Given no other choice in going to war, I suppose that I would have picked Iran to neuter militarily than Iraq because SH already had the Shias suppressed. It''s a real game of shells on what to do is it not?

[pwrslm]

I was wrong then and you are mistaken now.

Posted by realpatriot1

Then if your statement is based on former Generals and miltary tacticians, then its pretty easy to link to the authoratative source of your conclusion that they are planning nuclear strikes against Iran.

Why dont you post the evidence instead of paying lip service to a fantasy? Its not that hard to copy and past a web address, and Ive seen you do it before I beleive, true?

So where is it? Where is the evidence that proves Saddams WMD doesnt exist still today? Just because you cant find it, does that mean it never existed? NO. Does that mean anything besides the fact that it existed, and is not accounted for? NO.

Do you believe that we are planning nuclear attacks on Iraq because of factual documentation or just gossip? Ill wager gossip. Your track record is all I have to go by, because obviously, you dont have anything to back up your claims besides gossip.

[realpatriot1]

lar008/pwrslm/cfin,

We don''t know who has what exactly in Syria or Iran. We would possibly know a great deal more if the administration hadn''t outed the Brewster & Jennings network. We have to deal now with the undesirable position that the administration has put us in and they are about to make it even more undesirable.

You are all for going after Iran & Syria who aren''t sending troops into Iraq(at least there''s no conclusive evidence that they are)-how about the Taliban & Al Quaeda in Pakastan? Taliban troops are crossing the border and are actively involved in direct combat with our troops. Wouldn''t they be a more sensible target for conventional strikes if that''s what we felt we had to do right now?

Wouldn''t it make more sense to go after our adversries that we have a conclusive indication as to where they are then to attack a country that we''re guessing has WMD?

Given that the Constitution gives the President the authority to command troops in war but gives Congress the authority to authorize war, do you think Bush should go to Congress and ask for a declaration of war and defend the need before "wiping out the entire Iranian military?"

[realpatriot1]

pwrslm,

I haven''t jumped to these conclusions, independent military analysts(former Generals
and War College professors and the like, not liberals) have come to these conclusions. Before I educated myself I thought like you and said so on this blog.

I was wrong then and you are mistaken now.

[realpatriot1]

pwrslm,

You were the one playing fast and loose wih patriotism, read your post; I was responding to your slur.

You need to look at history, bothpast and ongoing. Wiping out an enemy military with air power is easy when we have massive superiority. Military analysts that I''ve read say it won''t be as easy in Iran as it was in Iraq.

The Brits left the Shiite areas of Iraq unattended yesterday. We''re going to need a whole new surge just to maintain the status quo in Iraq. The last thing we need right now for the mission(whatever it actually is) in Iraq is to give the Iranian military an open invitation to cross the border and align with their Shiite brothers in southern Iraq.

Lars008,

You lie, as usual. Bosnia was a NATO operation commanded by Wesley Clark, the NATO commander. The Serbs were innocent? Tell it to the Croats, Bosnians, Kosovo citizens, the Red Cross, Amnesty International, the UN, and the International Court of Justice in the Hague.

[cfin5]

The IDF Intelligence told us that the WMD''s were moved from Iraq to Syria sometime around the start of the war. I have not been able to find out exactly when. Syria having them in my judgment is worse than Sodamn Insane having them.

[pwrslm]

Not smart.
Posted by realpatriot1

- It took very little time to decimate Saddams military. The Blitz wiped them out before they knew a war was on them. Thats got nothing to do with patriotism.
-Patriotism is something you play loose and easy with. History shows us alot, and if you ignore history to define what is or isnt a patriot, you are nothing more than a cog in a machine of popular opinion, the sheep and the carrot theme.

-Are you suggesting that just because Saddam hid the truth about his WMD programs, that they didnt exist? Ive picked that one apart many times over the years, and the only thing left to conclude is that no IF they existed, because they did, but why nobody can find them. Forensic science can prove they were destroyed, but that never happened.

-You jump to conclusions about nukes. The best time to rectify the problem in Iran is "before" they possess warheads. WHY do you assume we need to use tactical nuclear weapons to stop them? Simply put, your cart is in front of your horse.

[lars008-2009]

the war is legal

the resumption of hostilities was only a matter of time since iraq broke the ceasefire agreement.....

blame saddam for iraq%u2026%u2026. Even clintoon and the dems wanted the resumption of hostilities back in 1998

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq''s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of Iraq. Indeed, should we decide to proceed, that action can be justified within the framework of international law rather than outside it. In fact, though a new UN resolution may be helpful in building international consensus, the existing resolutions from 1991 are sufficient from a legal standpoint. - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gore092302sp.html

[prinzowhales]

The psychopaths at the helm of the US government must be stopped at all costs. They represent a cancer...a metastasized cancer that has spread throughout the body politic of the nation.

This link contains an article with a video of film that was air on the DISCOVERy CHANNEL on May 3, 1994. Pressure from elements of the US Congress on the cable industry prevented the already advertized and scheduled showing...they went so far as to try and destroy all copies of it. A copy was sent anonymously to Senator DeCamp who with help from former CIA Director William Colby was trying to bring out the truth and see justice done.

The Franklin Case is at the center of it but it contains elements of all of the psychopathology that we see in America today...from the cover-up by the Catholic Church at Boy''s Town, the involvement of the Republican heirarchy in pederasty, torture and other perversion and the subversion of the criminal justice system by the county attorneys, law enforcement and, of course, the FBI.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/300807_larry_craig.htm

"Let Justice be done, though the Heavens fall," was the crie de couer of Attorney Garrison as he tried in vain to bring the conspirators who murdered JFK to justice. Senator de Camp of Nebraska has fought the good fight to excise the growth from Omaha and bring justice for those abused by wealthy and powerful psychopaths, don''t let his struggle be in vain. Stop feeding the growth of mainstream fascism.