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[edintex]

If you don''''t want to watch gay people kissing or dancing or getting married don''''t look.
Posted by realpatriot1 at 01:44 PM : Sep 01, 2007

The only problem us "not looking" is that the *** have been in our families faces with their sexual orientation for years now. They are all over television, on radio, they parade themselves in very lewd ways on our streets, and they are trying to force their morals onto our scouting programs. They are even busy trying to hijack our religions to change our bibles/beliefs to either "normalize" their immoral learned behaviors or destroy the churches (ex: Gay Episcopal Bishops are splitting the church apart).

You see, the gay communities, activists and their poor parents are hoping that normal families (they call us "breeders") will look the other way so they can chip away at us until we cruble. That is what we get for not accepting the *** for "who they are".

And I don''t really care if you call me a homophobe. My answer to that is "So what, whats your point?

I have 2 brothers and a sister who WERE gay. They educated me on what the *** plans are and how they were going to make us all accept them and their gayness. They were all mostly bitter that we "breeders" would not accept them for who they were. They finally saw the light and changed their stripes. They are all stright AND happy now!

[realpatriot1]

drivelphobe,

If homosexuality makes you sick stop thinking about it. Tha fact that it personally makes you sick does not make you a bigot. The fact that you equate people different then you being in love to training dogs to kill one another is. The fact that you want to eliminate people because they make you uncomfortable does.

If you don''t want to watch gay people kissing or dancing or getting married don''t look. If people like you didn''t try so hard to fight gay people living their lives, it wouldn''t get the civerage it does.

Whether gay or straight, people shouldn''t go around having public displays of affection or looking for *** in public parks or restrooms. People shouldn''t prey on children regardless. What type of relationship people choose to be in is their business, not yours.

It is cultural conditioning, called homophobia, that makes people disgusted by gay ***. It is not nature. Homosexual *** occurs in lots of species, and there have been lots of cultures that found it "natural".

[rafterman1]

===Great. So your mature society can become so tolerant that it can''''t exist. If all the so called "bigots", which includes everyone but the homos, die off, there will be no procreation. But homos only care about the instant gratification of their agendae and public displays of shocking, insultng behaviour.===

There have been homosexuals since the beginning of time and yet more people are alive right this second than have ever been alive in all of history. So your statement about the human race being doomed because of homosexuality is ridiculous. Homosexuality has always been a small minority and is no threat to our existence. To be bigotted against them is irrational.

[drivelphobe]

Rafterman1....

Great. So your mature society can become so tolerant that it can''t exist. If all the so called "bigots", which includes everyone but the homos, die off, there will be no procreation. But homos only care about the instant gratification of their agendae and public displays of shocking, insultng behaviour.

You use the term bigot too loosely. Homosexual behaviour makes me just as sick as Vick''s dog fighting. There is nothing biggoted about it. I don''t claim that my opinion is superior or correct. It''s just the way millions of people, including me of course, feel about it. I would hope that the day will come when if homos are still around, they will be invisible to the general popluation, not spectacles of insatiable attention seeking and leud activity.

[rafterman1]

===Hopefully as our society matures, we will once again consider these homosexuals for what they are and make it impossible to survive in our culture. It is absolutely unbelievabe that it has come this far where it approaches tolerability===

So you are the definer of what is tolerable? Getting ready to set up those concentration camps, huh? Seig heil. As society matures, it becomes more tolerant of others, not less. As you bigots die out, so will things like homophobia and racism. Homophobia, racism and gender bias all come from the same evil seed.

===It goes against nature and should not be put up with===

Same thing with bigotry.

[drivelphobe]

Our society is going backwards when we allow the marriage between individuals of the same gender. There aren''t many things more repulsive than two men or two women engaging in this type of relationship. Hopefully as our society matures, we will once again consider these homosexuals for what they are and make it impossible to survive in our culture. It is absolutely unbelievabe that it has come this far where it approaches tolerability. It goes against nature and should not be put up with.

[realpatriot1]

pwrslm,

If you have no need to argue then answer my questions like I''ve responded to yours, there''s no need to argue if we discuss rationally and actually respond to the points raised.

You not so humbly say that I don''t believe in Christ(not true) and don''t understand the Bible.What makes me ignorant and you all knowing and wise when we both read the same scripture and take something different from it? The Holy Spirit has not enveloped me, has it you? Honestly?

The Revelation of Jesus Christ that was revealed to John by the angel sent by Christ does say in Rev. 21:8 and again in 21:15 that the sexually immoral and whoever loves a lie are outside of the Holy City.

It does not say what Christ himself considered to be sexually immoral. It does say that loving a lie will keep a person out of the Holy City. Denying that people who God created gay do love one another is loving a lie.

The Bible tells us that God has created man in his own image. People aren''t born as adulterers, thieves,murderers, but they are born gay.

Christ did speak out directly against all the aforementioned but he never spoke out directly against homosexuality, even though the Jewish scriptures show that it was the law of the day.

So, do you want to answer my question about marriage and church memebership for the other sinners actually mentioned by Christ?

[rafterman1]

===The only thing that was lost was respect for you.===

Yeah, because you had so much respect for me and other libs before. LOL.

By the way, just because someone wasn''t liberal in the past does not mean they can''t be a neocon now. Old style conservatives flocked to the neoconservative movement. That makes Bush and his boys 100% neocon.

[rafterman1]

===its about the truth===

You are arguing the case for bigotry. Remember, this is about homosexuality and not what a neocon is? There is no truth in bigotry. By the way, being prejudiced against those who practice prejudice is not being prejudiced. If you are prejudiced against gay people and I hate you for it, that does not make me prejudiced. Get it?

[rafterman1]

===If they were "conservatives", they would be called "conservatives". Instead, the liberal split in two, one maintaining thier liberal stand, and the other with close and similar views maintaining another. There is no true conservative party. They are both liberal with different opinions.===

Wrong. hey were liberals who became conservative. Hence the name neoconservative. They are the new conservatives. Otherwise, they''d be called neoliberals.

===And your telling us the social experiments by these new liberals are conservative because idiots like you call them "neo" conservative? What an oxymoron.===

This post from Wiki says it better thban I could:

The term neoconservative was first used derisively by democratic socialist Michael Harrington to make clear that a group, many of whom called themselves liberal, was actually a group of newly conservative ex-liberals. The name eventually stuck, both because it was reasonably accurate, and because neoconservatives came to accept that they were, in fact, conservative.

===Your not that smart===

I''ll put my intelligence agsint yours any day a$$wipe. Your insistence on questioning my intelligence implies that you are smehow uncomfortable with your own. By the way, what do you do for a living? Is it in line with your "advanced intelligence"?

[pwrslm]

That''''s the way. Stick to the tactic, especially when you are losing the argument, since there is no way to justify bigotry in an intelligent manner.
Posted by Rafterman1

The only thing that was lost was respect for you. Surely, your prejudice is the greatest part of your characture, which isnt expounding on a morality, but on an ego. Its not about winning or losing, its about the truth, and being to able to understand the situation enough to find it, which you obviously, dont partake in, your locked into a mindset that doesnt change.

[pwrslm]

real conservatism rejects a centralized power structure

congress is liberal, it grabs every bit of power it can, instead of insuring the constitution is complied with, it attempts to regulate everything

bush is not a conservative, his attempt to legalize illegal immigrants defined that in no uncertain terms, conservative though demands compliance with established laws/principals, so a conservative stance demands punishment for breaking those laws, not immunity

[pwrslm]

My God, you are pathetic. Yeah, sure they are. Neocons, some of whom did indeed defect from the left, rejected liberalism. They are not liberals, not anymore.


I''''m quite educated.

Posted by Rafterman1

If they were "conservatives", they would be called "conservatives". Instead, the liberal split in two, one maintaining thier liberal stand, and the other with close and similar views maintaining another. There is no true conservative party. They are both liberal with different opinions.

And your telling us the social experiments by these new liberals are conservative because idiots like you call them "neo" conservative? What an oxymoron. Your not that smart......

[rafterman1]

===Its nothing to do with my intelligence, its with your ignorance and your accusation. I have no need to argue with either===

That''s the way. Stick to the tactic, especially when you are losing the argument, since there is no way to justify bigotry in an intelligent manner.

[pwrslm]

My comment was aimed at people who are willing to look beyond the actual words, and see the real reason for the rule.
Posted by ge556

So why didnt you? Your excuse about population is superficial, isnt it? Like a baseless conclusion. Why didnt you explain about the disease and infections from sodomy, health related, like you did food? Or are you to shallow to express all of the views that touch reality?

[rafterman1]

===neoconservatives are liberals===

My God, you are pathetic. Yeah, sure they are. Neocons, some of whom did indeed defect from the left, rejected liberalism. They are not liberals, not anymore.

===true conservatives are not neocons===

You are actually right on that. But you are not a true conservative.

===educate youself, you sound absolutely stupid when you post because you are clueless===

I''m quite educated. When you want to actually argue something instead of just calling me too stupid to keep up with you and declaring the debate over, let me know.

[pwrslm]

By the way pwrslm, the neocon tactic of deriding the intelligence of anyone who doesn''''t goosestep in line with you is getting old. Ending the debate by stating your opponent isn''''t smart enough to keep up with you just shows YOUR lack of intelligence.
Posted by Rafterman1

Its nothing to do with my intelligence, its with your ignorance and your accusation. I have no need to argue with either.

And the old testament ban on gaysex was to promote population growth. Modern technology sure has solved that problem. Now there is a need to eliminate population growth.
Posted by ge556

Actually, the OT called it an abomination, not an issue with population growth. Its also described it as unnatural in the NT.

Posted by pwrslm at 10:18 AM : Sep 01, 2007

My comment was aimed at people who are willing to look beyond the actual words, and see the real reason for the rule.

[pwrslm]

neoconservatives are liberals

true conservatives are not neocons

educate youself, you sound absolutely stupid when you post because you are clueless