Comments on: Official: Iraqis Turning Surge Into "Joke"

Despite Erosion Of Support, White House Denies Talk Of Iraq Pullback

[brianbwb-2009]

RandalDS,

You have optimism usually ascribed to youth, to compliment the wisdom of your age. I am a bit more jaded, however, because I seem to remember (correct me if I misheard, or misread);

"We will not engage in nation building"

"The Iraqis will welcome us with open arms"

"Mission accomplished"

"We will be out of Iraq within 30 days"

"We will be out of Iraq by January"

"We will be out by March"

"We will be out by June."

"If there is no progress by September..."

And now we hear,

"If we pull out, there will be a mess" (general Lynch, what a great name, said this lunacy just days ago)

"As long as it takes to achieve victory" (how they define victory is unclear to say the least)

"We will have to set up permanent bases in Iraq."

And each time the goalpost was moved, not a peep from the Democrat leadership.

[randalds]

Posted by brianbwb at 12:58 AM : Jul 10, 2007

I have to go. The wife has an early wake up for work in the morning and my pounding on the keyboard is keeping her awake. Back tomorrow. Keep the faith. Our side WILL win. The people themselves will make sure of it. They're slow to anger, but impossible to stop when on a mission and their mission is quickly becoming getting rid of Bush and his ilk.

[randalds]

It is possible nottellin1 may be of the age where he was educated in a post Nixon public school, that is to say very little...
Posted by brianbwb at 12:58 AM : Jul 10, 2007

Amen. The actor Richard Dreyfuss is currently leading a drive to bring basic civics back into the public schools. In many schools it's actually an elective course now! That's outrageous! This lack of education is what has lead to such stupidity as people actually believing that we work for (or report to) the president, rather then him working for us as our public servant. Some people today actually believe that the president really is above the law or has powers that he simply does not have. All because they lack the education in basic American civics.

[nottellin1]

just a matter of the convictions.

Again, American Civics 101.
Posted by RandalDS at 12:56 AM : Jul 10, 2007

I still say impeachment would be a complete waste of time and money. It would distract our government when I'd rather have them concentrating on getting out of Iraq and the public concentrating on the election.

[randalds]

Typical! Let's spend lots of money with no real result. Better yet, lets not, duh!

Posted by nottellin1 at 12:48 AM : Jul 10, 2007

No, let's stay within the law. Just because Bush abuses the law to keep power, does not mean we can break it to take him out. Impeachment takes time and the American people have to believe that it's happening because it was their idea or they will not support it. By September Bush said there would be progress in Iraq. The American people "get" that and will not allow him to go further. If he tries (and he will) the rumble for impeachment will sweep him out of office, because the people want it.

[brianbwb-2009]

American Civics 101. You should have learned all of this in Jr High School. I'm shocked you didn't.
Posted by RandalDS

For this we really can blame the neocons who have reduced federal budgets for education ever since they realized that the college students that led the charge against Nixon and Vietnam were "too smart".

It is possible nottellin1 may be of the age where he was educated in a post Nixon public school, that is to say very little...

[homespunlady]

PLEASE if they go TAKE CHENEY FIRST. Spiro Agnew went Before Nixon and Nixon left office WITH MUCH LESS BLOOD ON HIS HANDS!!

[randalds]

And what law is it exactly that the Senate will convict Bush of breaking? Stupidity and arrogance are not illegal, if they were, we would have to convict you too.
Posted by nottellin1 at 12:52 AM : Jul 10, 2007

Actually stupidity and arrogance are illegal in Bush's case, because they lead him to lie us into a war. That's the crime of treason and murder. It's also a war of aggression which is a war crime under treaties that we have signed and supposedly honor. So yes, Bush is guilty of crimes. It's just a matter of the convictions.

Again, American Civics 101.

[feelfree1]

RandalDS,

Re: "No, not ignore. Set aside for now. The goal is to rid us of the rats"

I'm through waiting, and I'm not sure that we agree on who the 'rats' are.

[nottellin1]

American Civics 101. You should have learned all of this in Jr High School. I'm shocked you didn't.
Posted by RandalDS at 12:47 AM : Jul 10, 2007

And what law is it exactly that the Senate will convict Bush of breaking? Stupidity and arrogance are not illegal, if they were, we would have to convict you too.