Comments on: Most Couples OK Giving Embryos To Research

Infertility Patients With Unused Embryos Say They Would Give Them To Stem Cell Research

[mcvet]

When one looks at ALL and I do mean ALL the issues that divide us and those that create all the hatred today, ALL of those issues belong to and are created by the Religious Reich. Now how many of those Issues does the Religious Reich show ANY willingness to compromise on? Want to know what is wrong with America today? You need only look as far as the American Taliban!

[mcvet]

What you are not considering is that research into amniotic and adult stem-cells will provide nearly as much background research into stem-cells as embryonic while still providing cures in the short run. We need to be careful not to put much of our resources into transmuting lead into gold, while we can pan gold from the stream.
Posted by opfor311 at 12:54 AM : Jun 21, 2007

So ALL our scientist and greatest minds are just lying to us huh? Shouldn't we be trusting such decisions to people OTHER than Religious Nazi's? Sieg Heil and Amen

[uceslady]

God forgive us to trying to play you. There are lot of Abraham/Sarah's in our world today. Jehovah did not intend for sperm/ovum to be stirred up in a petrie dish or test tube to make a baby. Then if that is not enough, we will make a few extras to have on down the road or do whatever with....who knows maybe stem cell research when we got tired of paying someone to store them for us.

Sarah has caused a lot of trouble through the ages...we are paying the price today...because she jumped ahead of GOD as she wanted a child so bad. I know there are a lot of children alive today that would not have been here if not for INVITRO, but that is playing GOD. This is just one of the dangerous things humans are doing just because they want their way and will stop at nothing to get it. We are no better than Sodom and Gomorrah. Heaven help us when he has had enough of us and our evil, sinful ways.

[acauble1]

I wish that God, through some means, would command all of his religious followers to commit suicide...

... so that way, us intellectuals can finally have a planet to ourselves!

[cozzicon]

"George Bush can't even spell stem cell. He's seeing to it that countries like China get ahead of use technilogically. Next thing you know, someone in China will develope some revolutionary healthcare technology as a result of stem cell research that is being held up in the U.S. and they'll show up on our doorstep with a patent."


Correct.

And then we'll start a war over it to "protect American Interests".

When something like that happens just WATCH- we'll not uphold a patent like that.

[tnt1954]

teleology or the study of the means to the
end is important. some people it doesn't
matter how you get your money, just as long
as you have it. to them the end justifies
the means. its how you get there to some though.
and not whether you win or lose the game but
how you play the game. did ya play fair
and square? did ya cheat your friend, sabotage
his efforts? did ya give a fair day's work
for what was offered, what the boss could afford?
was the boss really down and out with a 8 trillion dollars public debt, and you just kept
running up the bill, higher and higher and
higher and said, let the future pay the bills,
i've got my time, and i aim to have a blast
on the future. michael j. fox should go
back to the future where he belongs, way in
the future, when his problems and everyone
else's are finally solved. i think he'll
find out when he arrives, way, way in the
future, say about 2525 when man is still alive,
its still the same basic problems with the
same basic solutions. its like my survivalist
neighbor who is building a spaceship in his
underground garage. he's got a planet all
bought and paid for in the andromeda galaxy.
he's taking off pretty soon he says, with
his family, so he and his family can be safe.
i told him, be sure and drop us a line, when
ya get there, tell us how things are. i never
really worry about his mental health.

[feelfree1]

"Most Couples OK Giving Embryos To Research"

Great!!!

Hopefully they won't mind if I patent and own the rights to their genetic sequences, and make a few clones here and there...for research purposes, of course!

[randalds]

We need to be careful not to put much of our resources into transmuting lead into gold, while we can pan gold from the stream.
Posted by opfor311 at 12:54 AM : Jun 21, 2007

And I'm saying it's stupidly shortsighted not to be doing both. Esp when as it is in this, turning lead into gold can be done. Open the government funding and there will be plenty of gold for those who want to pan for today and lead for those who want to turn it into gold for tomorrow. This is a case where we really can have it both ways, if the fundamentalists will just get the hell out of the way.

[opfor311]

Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention that 88 percent of the frozen embryos currently in storage will be used for implantation in order to have children. (according to the 2003 Rand Institute study). If that figure holds up, the 5000 potential stem-cell lines dwindle to 600.

If that happens, we'll be seeing the researchers have to find other methods to obtain embryos. However, since the extraction process is painful and expensive (somewhere around $3,000 or more), very few women are willing to donate at their own expense.

[opfor311]

RandalDS,

What makes more sense to invest your money in, an investment that will return 20 percent in one year with 95 percent certainty, or an investment that will return 75 percent in fifteen years with 25 percent certainty?

What you are not considering is that research into amniotic and adult stem-cells will provide nearly as much background research into stem-cells as embryonic while still providing cures in the short run. We need to be careful not to put much of our resources into transmuting lead into gold, while we can pan gold from the stream.

[macktruck22]

www.felonymills.com has bazar news clip

[randalds]

Based on the ratio that the Rand Institute established for donated embryos to successful stem-cell lines (which was 1 stem-cell line for every 40 donated embryos), there would be about 5,000 lines if half of the estimated 400,000 frozen embryos were donated. This would barely be enough for serious studies to be done, much less have any left for actual treatments.

Posted by opfor311 at 12:09 AM : Jun 21, 2007


Well considering that there are only 11 lines available for government research under the bush plan (link below), one would think that having 5000 lines would be manna from heaven and certainly plenty for serious research. Also the idea that since practical treatments may be as far as 15 years down the road, so let's not go in that direction is assine. Research takes decades to complete sometime, so going strictly for a quick fix makes no sense at all. Open up the government funding and there'll be more then enough lines to go in both directions!


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/09/tech/main553079.shtml

[opfor311]

Based on the ratio that the Rand Institute established for donated embryos to successful stem-cell lines (which was 1 stem-cell line for every 40 donated embryos), there would be about 5,000 lines if half of the estimated 400,000 frozen embryos were donated. This would barely be enough for serious studies to be done, much less have any left for actual treatments.

Also while there are currently treatments using adult stem-cells, embryonic stem-cells are at least 10 to 15 years from having any pratical use.

We need to be careful to not disparage what is bringing treatments to people today, because we are over-hyping something down the road. Some research does indicate that we may be able to reprogram adult stem-cells to behave like embronic stem-cells.

If we have limited dollars to spend on research, we should concentrate on what is the most likely to bring cures in the short run while providing ground work for the future.

[randalds]

"A majority of couples with stored embryos from fertility treatments say they would be willing to donate unused embryos for stem cell research, says a doctor who surveyed patients."

Well I'll be! A survey that shows that the majority of married couples are godless heathens who are willing to destroy the little tiny humans buried deep inside of their embryos to help save mankind! This is going to come as a shock to god....er...I mean George Bush and his followers.

[christiansin]

George Bush can't even spell stem cell. He's seeing to it that countries like China get ahead of use technilogically. Next thing you know, someone in China will develope some revolutionary healthcare technology as a result of stem cell research that is being held up in the U.S. and they'll show up on our doorstep with a patent.

Meanwhile we'll be rubbing two sticks together wishing all of our money wasn't going over seas so that we can access technology that should have been developed and owned by someone in the U.S. What kind of a capitalist is Bush anyway?

They are Blastocysts by the way, not embryos. Twits! Embryos are blastocyssts that have implanted and could survive to viability. Embryos are not sacrificed in the production of stem cells. Seems to me that a few reporters should go back to school and take a biology class.

Apparently in the U.S. we like to pass laws while listening to sarcastic songs and taking them literally...

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
G0d gets quite irate...

-from Monty Python's The Meaning of Life