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by menofoz June 12, 2007 1:39 AM EDT
From the 2006 (lst Qtr) INS/FBI Statistical Report - link

%u201C12 Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens. (that%u2019s more than 21,900 murders by illegal aliens since September 11, 2001)

13 people per day are killed by illegal immigrants who drive under the influence of drugs or alcohol. An additional 4,745 premature deaths per year.

62% of all %u201Cundocumented immigrants%u201D in the United States are working for cash and not paying taxes, predominantly illegal aliens, working without a green card.

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
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by radiob-2009 June 12, 2007 1:35 AM EDT
Posted by menofoz at


Where is your proof? Where are the links to credible sites?
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by menofoz June 12, 2007 1:34 AM EDT
More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

29% (630,000) of the inmates in all state and federal prisons are illegal aliens%u2014at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.

More than 53% of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

More than half of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

More than 43% of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens.

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by menofoz June 12, 2007 1:34 AM EDT
More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

29% (630,000) of the inmates in all state and federal prisons are illegal aliens%u2014at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.

More than 53% of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

More than half of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

More than 43% of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens.

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by radiob-2009 June 12, 2007 1:29 AM EDT
Victims and Offenders by Demographic Group, 1976-2004 Percent of - Rate per 100,000
population
Victims Offenders Population Victims Offenders
Total 100.0% 100.0% 100.0% 7.9 8.8
Age
Under 14 4.8% .5% 20.5% 1.8 .2
14-17 5.0% 10.5% 6.1% 6.5 15.1
18-24 23.9% 36.5% 10.9% 17.1 29.4
25-34 28.9% 28.5% 15.8% 14.2 15.9
35-49 22.8% 17.3% 20.4% 8.7 7.4
50-64 9.3% 5.1% 14.1% 5.1 3.2
65+ 5.4% 1.7% 12.2% 3.4 1.2
Gender
Male 76.5% 88.7% 48.8% 12.4 16.0
Female 23.5% 11.3% 51.2% 3.6 1.9
Race
White 51.0% 45.9% 83.8% 4.8 4.8
Black 46.9% 52.1% 12.3% 30.0 37.3
Other 2.1% 2.0% 4.0% 4.2 4.5


From
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/hmrt.htm#longterm
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by radiob-2009 June 12, 2007 1:20 AM EDT
Posted by menofoz at

Anyone can falsify reports as you have done.
From MADD http://alcoholism.about.com/library/blmadd021121.htm

Last year, 17,448 were killed in alcohol-related crashes - representing 41 percent of all traffic deaths. More than 500,000 Americans are injured annually in crashes involving alcohol. The annual economic cost of alcohol-related crashes exceeds $114 billion.

Now you honestly expect everyone to believe that 27% of all drunk driving deaths are the direct result of illegals?
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by menofoz June 12, 2007 1:10 AM EDT
From the 2006 (lst Qtr) INS/FBI Statistical Report - link

%u201C12 Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens. (that%u2019s more than 21,900 murders by illegal aliens since September 11, 2001)

13 people per day are killed by illegal immigrants who drive under the influence of drugs or alcohol. An additional 4,745 premature deaths per year.

62% of all %u201Cundocumented immigrants%u201D in the United States are working for cash and not paying taxes, predominantly illegal aliens, working without a green card.

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

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by randalds June 12, 2007 1:06 AM EDT
Me too....dinner...see ya...
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by lestb35 June 12, 2007 1:04 AM EDT
Gotta go. Good talking to you Randal.
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by lestb35 June 12, 2007 1:02 AM EDT
True. Well, that's nice, about the wife. I'd always wondered how that myth came about but maybe it's true.
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by randalds June 12, 2007 1:00 AM EDT
Yeah, but RAndal these aren't ordinary times. These are extraordinary times. So... Anyway, hey are Jewish American princesses as spoiled as they're portrayed.
Posted by lestb35 at 09:53 PM : Jun 11, 2007

That's part of my point though, we're always in extraordinary times. There's no such thing as ordinary times.

My wife used to be a Princess but says she was promoted to Queen when her mom passed away. She used to be REALLY spoiled, but not so much these days. these days she has to spoil herself, so as long as she earns the money for her whims then I can't really object....too much....lol.
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by lestb35 June 12, 2007 12:54 AM EDT
Posted by omega39 at 09:52 PM : Jun 11, 2007

Hey, welcome. I'm sure it'll be heating up tonight.
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by lestb35 June 12, 2007 12:53 AM EDT
Yeah, but RAndal these aren't ordinary times. These are extraordinary times. So... Anyway, hey are Jewish American princesses as spoiled as they're portrayed.
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by omega39-2009 June 12, 2007 12:52 AM EDT
Just passing through guys....It's good to see good healthy debate.
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by randalds June 12, 2007 12:50 AM EDT
Just because we are losing some of our personal freedom does not mean we have to surrender to it or to give up what we have left. We need to fight even harder to save what's left and to take what has been taken from us back. Otherwise we're all just sheep being herded around and that's not living, that's just existing.
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by lestb35 June 12, 2007 12:47 AM EDT
God, Randal, I get weirded out just filing income tax but we have to do it. You don't really believe you have any privacy do you? The only ones who are enjoying true freedom are the undocumented aliens. I wish it was me.
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by randalds June 12, 2007 12:43 AM EDT
It is my personal position that we avoid anything close to that type of confrontation and a national ID or proof of citizenship until we get our immigration problem under control is not really an assault to democracy.
Posted by lestb35 at 09:39 PM : Jun 11, 2007

But it will not end when the immigration problem does. Once you give the government a power over you it's nearly impossible to get it back. A national ID card or proof of citizenship is against everything it means to be an American. If we go down that road then we will have already lost the freedoms we'd supposedly be protecting. There are other ways to deal with immigration and terrorism then giving into it by surrendering our rights.
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by lestb35 June 12, 2007 12:39 AM EDT
Well RandalDS, I'll argue from the standpoint of the Bulgarian I mentioned earlier. His argument is that if you don't watch out those very freedoms will work against you and into the hands of people who don't value the freedom you've fought for and your ancestors fought for. And before you know it, it's gone. Poof. right before your eyes because you my friend will be outnumbered. It is my personal position that we avoid anything close to that type of confrontation and a national ID or proof of citizenship until we get our immigration problem under control is not really an assault to democracy.
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by randalds June 12, 2007 12:34 AM EDT
Well RandalDS, with all due respect, you'd be about the last person in the country I'd consult on national security. In fact, based on your posts, I think the demise of America is something you'd probably actively support.
Posted by lestb35 at 09:29 PM : Jun 11, 2007

I'll fight for my country's freedoms (and in fact did during Vietnam), I'll kill for my country's freedoms and I'll die for my country's freedoms, but I will never surrender them to gutless cowards in this country or to the government that is trying to fear monger those cowards into giving them up! Never! A life without freedom is a life not worth living! If you're willing to give up your freedom for security, then you are a gutless coward who does not deserve to call them self an American.
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by lestb35 June 12, 2007 12:32 AM EDT
There are dozens hanging out in the Home Depot parking lot with not one form of ID.
Posted by lestb35 at 09:26 PM : Jun 11, 2007


Make that thousands when you figure a couple dozen per Home Depot store times however many Home Depots there are in this country.
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