Comments on: Immigration Collapse A Blow To Bush

GOP Senators Play Key Role In Scuttling President's Immigration Reform Plan

[meboard]

What did you expect? "w" spent all his "politcal clout" on the Iraq War...he can't get anything done!!! Looser!!!! It sure feels like any early 20 Jan 2008 to me...

[coffeehead-2009]

still not ONE mention of who will pay for THEIR compassionate labor profits...
Us americans who now have no place in this country. We have mexican americans, african americans, cuban americans etc.... what about those of us who have contributed via our families generations of investment and actually built this country to what it is *was*?

I suggest they address the cost to taxpayers and their childrens futures - what we will have to sacrafice AGAIN - monetarily and constitutionally.

If they are so concerned about "foreign" families and their needs and WANTS - they should PAY. How about EVERY politician sponsoring a foreign family for a 5 year period? No welfare,health or educational drain on our already overburdened middle class -
each politician voting for this should scarf up 30K a year to sponsor a "new american family".

[fixitdamnit]

Don't forget to VOTE THE BUMS OUT

"We are not giving up. We are not giving in," Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., told reporters. He is the chief Democrat at the negotiating table for the immigration bill. --- [This the attitude of the homicidal dipsomaniac who has done more harm to American than terrorism and communism ever have. And so I recommend we nuke Massachusetts before Iran, if the people of MA continue to foist that pumpkin-headed abomination upon the nation.]

"First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same. Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset%uFFFD. Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia...

In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think." --- Teddy Kennedy, floor manager, 1965 Immigration Act

"This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this." --- Teddy Kennedy on 1986 Immigration and Reform Act

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00206

[bluestardad]

veteran71; GOOD POST! Democrats are just as guilty of treason and selling out as Republicans are!

[brianbwb-2009]

To RandalDs,

Yes, I am willing to pay the price for higher living standards, as it seems you favor the opposite, keep prices low by using slave labor, a practice long illegal in the US.

And the higher prices will come anyway, as business collude to eliminate alternatives by price fixing, and use high prices to justify slave labor, but still don't pass on the savings to the consumer, witness gas prices in San Diego...

Be careful, one day you or yours may wind up as one of the low wage slaves.

[incog-nito]

Here are the facts: Amnesty or not, the 12 or 20 or whatever millions of illegals are here to stay. Too many businesses and individuals are using their labor and profiting from it. And as much as some people would want to, the U.S. is not going to forcibly round them all up and send them back (and neither will we nuke and level the Middle-East, sorry to disappoint you).

So it's time to figure out a way to integrate them into American society. One way may be to require everybody to learn English, and do away with this bilingual nonsense. You cannot integrate if you can't communicate outside your community. If the French can pass a law forbidding religious headwear and face covering, surely the U.S. can do this.

[brianbwb-2009]

Illegal immigration is an intractable problem, as long as people can raise their standard of living by going to another country, legal or no, it will continue.

The entire debate was just a diversion to keep the public from focusing on the corruption that gave us the wars in which we currently engage. Judging by some of these posts, it was reasonably successful. Nothing like a dose of good old fashioned racism to keep the sheep divided.

I hope it is over, so we can get back to the most important problem in the US, G.W. Bush, et.al....

[randalds]

Think about it. You want to point a finger at business, but are you willing to pay the extra that you'll be charged for higher wages and universal health care benefits so that Americans will take these jobs?
Posted by rudy654 at 02:15 AM : Jun 09, 2007

Oh hell! Don't make them try to think! They're all so happy all wrapped up in their fuzzy little world where every problem like immigration is black and white, with no grey areas and is solved by slogans, jingoism and bumper sticker politics! "Deport them all", "What part of illegal don't they understand" and "Vote them out of office!" are much easier thoughts to wrap their minds around then the impact on our economy if we actually were able to find a way to kick all the undocumented workers out.

[rudy654-2009]

"The illegal labor market plays into the hands of the corporations and businesses who desire, above virtually all else, depressed wages."

Here's the thing, corporations and businesses (especially small businesses) say that providing health care is just too expensive for them. And most Americans know they want health care, because even with the little bit one gets from the employer, health care here is *** expensive. Now, what do you suggest happen so that Americans will take low wage, no benefit jobs? Shall everybodies wage be increased to 20.00 an hour? Shall there be universal health coverage, so that seasonal worker (American citizens, of course), don't lose out when there is no farm work in winter and such? Think about it. You want to point a finger at business, but are you willing to pay the extra that you'll be charged for higher wages and universal health care benefits so that Americans will take these jobs?

[rudy654-2009]

"The very idea that 12 million plus citizens from Mexico will just walk across a sovereign nations borders without invitation illegally and demand citizenship, work, benefits, schools and rights absolutely blows my mind, it just does."

I'm just curious. But, does it blow your mind that the U.S. did it to them less than two hundred years ago? Isn't karma just grand? Does it also blow your mind that the colonists did the very same thing to the 500 nations that were already established on this land just over 200 years ago? Again, isn't karma just grand? Set the example, and people will certainly follow it.

[clemenhagen1]

Pardon me for speaking with complete candor: the moral outrage over the immigration did not come when illegal labor confined itself to picking fruit. We know that America's working poor had neither the desire or work-ethic to do such back-breaking labor. The problem, and subsequent outrage, now comes as that readily available labor pool has made its way into the roofing, and framing, construction-type jobs that used to be filled by lower to middle-income Americans. The illegal labor market plays into the hands of the corporations and businesses who desire, above virtually all else, depressed wages. If we want to truly solve this problem, come with a legitimate method to track social security numbers and/or other modes of identification, and then nail these employers who hire illegal labor. Until you fine the heck out of the employers (or strip away business licenses), thus undercutting the demand for low-wage workers that has been at the core of depressed wage spiral, illegal workers will remain in this country just the same as have illegal drugs. Anything less than a genuine worker responsibility plan (building walls, felony convictions for illegals here, etc.) amounts to nothing more than tilting at a few windmills for political farce.

[tbweb]

Mexico is a sovereign nation, the United States is a sovereign nation. The very idea that 12 million plus citizens from Mexico will just walk across a sovereign nations borders without invitation illegally and demand citizenship, work, benefits, schools and rights absolutely blows my mind, it just does. It's just outrageous in every context, from every view, no matter how you look at it. Unbelievable in every context! It's just mind boggling. It staggers the imagination. And whats worst and equally retarded the United States is debating new laws to let them do it!

[clemenhagen1]

"All but seven Republicans voted against ending debate...Thirty-eight Republicans and Sen. Bernard Sanders, a Vermont independent, opposed the procedural tactic."

Remember when the Republicans went into a tizzy at the mere hint of a Democratic filibuster. They floated terms like "nuclear option" in order to save the integrity of our republic. Now the bought-and-paid-for corporatized press will not even mention the term. Since when did the filibuster become a legitimate "procedural tactic" sans all the chest-beating? The vote needed 60 to end debate and force a vote; that's know as a vote to invoke cloture. Please at least call it as it is...38 senators joined a break-away faction of liberal Dems to block cloture and effectively filibuster the bill. Where's the moral outrage now that the Republicans use this tool on a routine basis, including on the minimum wage earlier.

[lestb35]

Sorry, Senator Feinstein, that your massive ego got bruised by the real force behind the wounding of your surrender bill, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE to whom you seem never to listen.
Posted by tucanofulano at 12:13 AM : Jun 09, 2007


No kidding, she is so clueless. The Dems have become an out of touch bunch of elitists.

[lestb35]

The jobs are there because anybody can become an employer now days. Just pull up to HOmeDepot and load up the truck with cheap slave labor. Every single one of us can employ 5 or 6 illegal workers. Who doesn't want a gardener, maid, nanny, maintenance man, pool boy, for a couple bucks an hour.

[tucano2]

Senator Feinstein was heard complaining the Amnesty and Corporate Welfare bill S.1348 was exposed for what it really was and got wounded (it is not yet really killed) due to the noise "talk show hosts" made. Sorry, Senator Feinstein, that your massive ego got bruised by the real force behind the wounding of your surrender bill, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE to whom you seem never to listen.

[multy]

The solution: Create a new form of identification%u2026new technology%u2026something that will take 10 years to falsifiers to find out how to reproduce%u2026I don%u2019t know what%u2026a chip maybe%u2026make all the population here to get this new ID%u2019s.. scrutinize all people in this country%u2026get rid of the thieves%u2026and terrorists%u2026Give amnesty to all illegal immigrants that are already here%u2026Stop the fight with the Arabs%u2026Get of this stupid oil thing...It%u2019s a waste of lives and money %u2026. We are fighting for the old order%u2026And they already have enough money%u2026It%u2019s an old technology%u2026make other new technologies available to our people%u2026they already working wonderfully in other countries (ethanol and natural gas %u2013 electricity in the close future)%u2026Let them (Arabs) mind their own business%u2026and eat and drink all their oil if they want%u2026bring our boys home and seal the borders.. Give as many temporary work visas as our economy ask for%u2026Keep the immigration flowing with a foot in the reality of our economy%u2026Let only the best to get in from now on%u2026simple%u2026could be done in one year%u2026all of it%u2026
Let%u2019s keep debating%u2026
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[multy]

Now I%u2019m getting to the point why not to fear Immigration%u2026In this new order%u2026Economic power and for consequence a good and fair society will be granted to the nations with the best work force%u2026The countries capable of attracting this people in we%u2019ll have an advantage%u2026Bombs and military power alone won%u2019t do it anymore%u2026everybody can make big bombs now%u2026no big deal anymore%u2026. To keep leading we%u2019ll need the best people in the world here working and living with us%u2026Or soon China we%u2019ll take over and lead%u2026and we%u2019ll have to follow%u2026If these workers are good and cheap%u2026That%u2019s even better%u2026They we%u2019ll take the jobs only from those who are unprepared%u2026and if you are unprepared in a country that gives you all the opportunities to be the best%u2026sorry you should get back to school and rethink of your life%u2026It%u2019s sad but it%u2019s how the system we chose to live in, capitalism, works%u2026and I particularly like it%u2026I think competition and challenges are the best incentives to get me in a better place then I%u2019m now%u2026Closing the doors It%u2019s an option that only we%u2019ll drive us down in terms of ability to compete in a global economy%u2026
part 3

[multy]

We cannot be afraid of competition%u2026one of the more important pillars of this society is the capitalism and capitalism is based on competition%u2026There is a new order%u2026.We live in a new world%u2026 and we are the ones leading%u2026
part 2

[multy]

Well...first I'm glad to inspire people in such a good manner...about been an anchor-baby...Having a little girl here as an anchor to this country was the best anchor I could ever asked for...And to be honest I just started to consider myself as a part of this society after she was born...before it was just "The American dream"...a dream can end at anytime...we%u2019ll just dream of something else...but now my blood is here...and that really matters to me...I understand all the fears and why not to trust politicians now%u2026and we agree here%u2026all the mistakes in the past%u2026all the blablabla and no solution%u2026the same problem from 2 decades ago%u2026I understand people are afraid of loosing jobs%u2026But here is the way I see it:
part 1