Comments on: Immigration Deal Survives GOP Threat

Senate Turns Back Republican Proposal To Bar Felons From Legalization

[gdmoore2]

You want to solve a really tough, almost intractable problem? Stop trying to solve it all at once. Constrain the problem, one deliberate step at a time, and measure the outcome. Nobody's "omnnibus" bill, and especially not Bush's, is going to effectively solve the problem all at once. It is too scattered an approach.

Get control of the border and stop illegal entry. Commit to being effective with this first basic step. Get an effective government in place, get that much done, and then look at the problem again, and take on the next chunk.

[lestb35]

Re: the N.Carolina drunk driving tragedy, many if not most illegal aliens don't have valid drivers licenses and they don't have insurance. Why aren't we stopping them at roadblocks and checking their license, registration and insurance. Why do they not have to obey the law.

[nottellin1]

OK, this is what I want to know, is identity theft still against the law? Not after this bill is signed it's not. Is it even impotant to obey the law anymore? I am dying to get a ticket for speeding so that I can go to court and give the defense of: oh, I didn't know that we had to obey the law anymore. Ha

[nottellin1]

Results of Latimes.com poll today:

Generally speaking, do you support the new compromise immigration reform plan?
38.2%
Yes, we need to do something.
61.8%
No, it should be tougher/more lenient.
1785 total responses

Looks like the tide is turning, lets keep at it.

[susanhelit]

Randal - read the story to which you are responding. The issue here is that in this horrible, lousy, bill, FELONS (not just illegal border crossers, but FELONS) are welcome. Some sensible senator said, hey, hold up a minute, let's not say we're just going to give away citizenship to people who are not only here illegally, but are also convicted FELONS. The amendment saying just and precisely that was.......................................................................................................................................................

REJECTED!


Not only don't we care if people cross our border illegally, not only will we reward them by pushing them ahead of those trying to come here legally, but we don't even care if they've been breaking our most serious laws while here!

[gdmoore2]

Peter776 - You could not be further off the mark. The immigration problem gets solved when everyone keeps a cool head. The problem is porous border and the failure of the Bush administration to deal with it. Hate solves nothing.

[lestb35]

No Amnesty
Illegal aliens are here illegally. The government has not been doing its job for many years. Email, call and write your Senators and Representative to tell them to do there jobs. Deport the illegal aliens. Put heavy fines on anyone hiring any illegal alien. Require all levels of government and law enforcement to enforce the laws. If your Senators and Representative don't do there jobs vote them out of office.
Email them now.
No Amnesty

Posted by bill1fj at 07:33 PM : Jun 06, 2007

[peter776-2009]

gdmoore2: There is nothing wrong with mikealford3's logic -- he is completely right on all counts. Your logic happens to be flawed, however. Shame on you for pandering to the hate/racism crowd. You make as much sense as our dear King George, who of late has been throwing around the word "racism" whenever countering charges that his bill is lame-brained and ought not become law. You and he are on the same page: Let's disable all meaningful discussion by crying "racism" so our opponents will shut up. This issue is not about racism -- it is about an INVASION of our country by ILLEGAL ALIENS, and about all the ills that are flowing from that invasion.

[bequialife]

to: redwilma

You just don't get it, do you. First of all, we have enough of our own home grown irresponsible welfare bums, drunks etc we have to deal with; why would we want to deal with more from 3rd world countries?? Wouldn't you like to see some of your tax money going to our own instead?
And why don't you invite all the illegals into your home, cook for them, tuck them in at night, and give them some drug money? I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT! I don't know where you live, but most taxpayers want mexico removed!

[sasi1-2009]

In answer to redwilma:
I might agree with you if all Americans first had better paying jobs and healthcare. Until they do, then I feel the illegals need to go home & leave space in the workplace for those Americans in need of jobs. As far as healthcare is concerned; don't kid yourself, most illegals take advantage of the U.S. health care system daily. Check Snopes.com about Parkland Memorial Hospital where 70% of all babies born were born to illegal aliens. That's what they call 'anchor babies'.

Furthermore, don't wear blinders. This country is at a boiling point, and it would not surprise me in the least to see hate crimes increase by the thousands. Our government officials should all be impeached. Obviously they aren't listening to what the voters have to say.

[bequialife]

to: peter776
Thank you for stating your comments much more eloquently than I did. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area where we are marinated with mexicans; streets are filthy here! The Bay Area has been experiencing this catastrophe for more than a decade now. I am surrounded by it and am angry as hell to see the deterioration of our lovely Bay Area!

[gdmoore2]

Peter776: regardless of his outrage, mikealford3's logic does not hold. Let us hope he is equally outraged at all drunk driving fatalities in North Carolina, not JUST the fatalities caused by illegal immigrants.

And I say again, the border problem will not by solved by hate.

[bill1fj]

No Amnesty
Illegal aliens are here illegally. The government has not been doing its job for many years. Email, call and write your Senators and Representative to tell them to do there jobs. Deport the illegal aliens. Put heavy fines on anyone hiring any illegal alien. Require all levels of government and law enforcement to enforce the laws. If your Senators and Representative don't do there jobs vote them out of office.
Email them now.
No Amnesty

[peter776-2009]

You can always seek to disable real discussion about the extremely important issues raised by the Kennedy/Bush/McCain immigration bill by raising the red flag issues of "hate" and "racism." Many times, owing to the kooky thinking inherent in political correctness, you will indeed make some people shut up and go away, or, more often, say nothing in the first place for fear of being labelled a "racist." But this is a disservice to the whole idea of being a freethinker, and to intellectual (and moral) honesty. The gentleman from North Carolina was merely pointing out a real result of illegal immigration -- two drunk illegal alien drivers, who should never have been present in our country in the first place, killed an American citizen and destroyed the lives of his family. Twisting his legitimate concern and outrage over such an incident into "racism" or "hate" is ridiculous --as well as false. I will take saving my country from an invasion of illegal aliens over political correctness any day -- and I am a lifelong liberal democrat.

[klingon69]

I think it will change things for the better by brining the illegals into the mainstream so they can get decent paying jobs,healthcare, insurance, etc.
So, who is going to fill the holes when the employers don't want to pay these decent wages, healthcare, insurance...etc? Oh yes, from more illegals.

ALSO, this bill is supposed to deal not just with the immigrants here but to stop ILLEGAL immigration.
So was the 1986 amnesty. The law was not enforced, thus we have multimillion more illegals who were helped over by their relatives that got the first amnesty. So in 20 years will they try to push another bill at us? If that law was not enforced, what reason do we have to believe this one will be?

To: Bequialife: Most hard-working American taxpayers have absolutely no desire to wipe Mexico off the map. I think that's a horrible creepy and stupid thing to say.
Posted by redwilma at 07:10 PM : Jun 06, 2007
Maybe take it over as our 51st state. Or it could take the place of Vermont when they seceed.

[gdmoore2]

mikealford3: Two people from North Carolina are driving down the road in my state, drunk, and collide head-on with a man commuting to work, leaving the man's family fatherless and the mother facing a crisis. Therefore, all people from North Carolina should be asked to leave my state.

Your logic reduces to absurdity. Hate tactics are not going to solve the border problem.

[redwilma]

To Poster from Raleigh:
That happened this weekend where I live but the drunk drivers were legal citizens. There are bad apples in every bushel. You can't draw any kind of conclusion from that. That ancedote has absolutely nothing to do with the Immigration Bill or this news story.

To Hysterical Poster regarding end of the world. What do you really think this bill will change? I think it will change things for the better by brining the illegals into the mainstream so they can get decent paying jobs,healthcare, insurance, etc. ALSO, this bill is supposed to deal not just with the immigrants here but to stop ILLEGAL immigration.

To: Bequialife: Most hard-working American taxpayers have absolutely no desire to wipe Mexico off the map. I think that's a horrible creepy and stupid thing to say.

[cpaide]

The above statement is what's known as complete and utter bullsh*it. A load of cr*ap. Not true. A lie. No basis in fact. Untrue. Mis-leading. Disingenuous. Cra*pola. Doo doo. Poo poo. Whatever you want to call it it, it's still sh*it, the whole sh*it and nothing but sh*it.

Posted by RandalDS

I see that RandalDS is back, along with his rather large anal fixation. Arrested development is a real bummer. Especially when you're a teenager posing online as a 40-something year old male with a jewish wife who lets him sit around all day long posting nonsense on the internet.

You've had your fun, kid, now take your meds and get some sleep so you're not so cranky!

[bellal-2009]

I guess I'd better start Spanish as second language class. It will soon be the dominant language because every job in social service and education requires bi-lingual. The thing is we were never given a choice. My kids all learned French because we traveled a lot to Canada but apparently I should have made them learn Spanish.

[peter776-2009]

If this immigration bill passes it will be the end of this country as we know it. In 20 years or less we will have 100 million new people in this country -- legally -- who will be largely unskilled, largely uneducated, and largely non-English-speaking. They will not possess our values, but those they brought with them from Mexico. I lived and worked throughout the third world for years, including in Mexico. It is an unmitigated disaster. Look for corruption, lots more trash on the streets, more violence, crime and gangs, NO respect for the law or our values, a complete dumbing down of public education to pander to the lowest common denominator (i.e., non-English-speaking students), bankrupt government programs and services, and overrun parks and public places. This is the reality of what will happen, no matter what your take on this insane bill may be. Pray tell: How can this possibly benefit my family or me? How in the world could my congressman vote to enact a bill that would produce such a result?