Comments on: Hillary: Faith Got Me Past Bill's Affair

Dem Candidates Talk About Role Of Religion In Lives And Politics

[gunownerdan]

Is America now an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or a plutocracy?

[mudrose-2009]

mudrose:
Prove there is a "God"
Posted by nikosk1

That's your problem not mine.

[realpatriot1]

mudrose,

The quotes from Adams show that his faith guided his morals in writing the Constitution, not that he in any way supported state codification of that faith as the official faith

I don't understand why you think I misinterpreted my quote and you don't support that claim with any substance. No state church is right. No limit on personal expression of faith-Right.

If we were a majority Muslim country would you want a giant Koran displayed at City Hall or Christian schoolkids to have to pull out their prayer rugs and pray towards Mecca before class?
That would violate the Constitutional rights of those children just as offical recognition of the Christian faith would violate the rights of jewish and buddhist and atheist children.

If the Church and the home and the revival tent don't provide you with enough opportunities to express your faith than do like the jehova's witnesses and go wring people's doorbells.

I believe in spreading the message of Christ, in a way that others will be receptive to. I believe in expressing and practicing one's faith, in a way that respects the faith of others.

[starleo146]

hukerarmy Oh My GOD I had no idea he said all that but not surprised really. Thanks I guess you answered my question. I thought I was being so clever thats why I love this post I learn so much honestly.

[mudrose-2009]

Part III

Adams was raised a Congregationalist, but ultimately rejected many fundamental doctrines of conventional Christianity, such as the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus, becoming a Unitarian. In his youth, Adams' father urged him to become a minister, but Adams refused, considering the practice of law to be a more noble calling. Although he once referred to himself as a "church going animal," Adams' view of religion overall was rather ambivalent: He recognized the abuses, large and small, that religious belief lends itself to, but he also believed that religion could be a force for good in individual lives and in society at large. His extensive reading (especially in the classics), led him to believe that this view applied not only to Christianity, but to all religions.

Adams was aware of (and wary of) the risks, such as persecution of minorities and the temptation to wage holy wars, that an established religion poses. Nonetheless, he believed that religion, by uniting and morally guiding the people, had a role in public life.

[mudrose-2009]

Part II

John Quincy Adams, Sixth President of the United States: "The law given from Sinai [the 10 commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code; it contained many statutes . . . of universal application-laws essential to the existence of men in society, and most of which have been enacted by every nation which ever professed any code of laws." --
Letters of John Quincy Adams, to His Son, on the Bible and Its Teachings (Auburn: James M. Alden, 1850), p. 61 (emphasis added)

Not wrong at all. Who said anything about Christainity?

[huskerarmy]

So then mudrose you would have no problem with burning that needless piece of paper we call the Constitution and replaceing it with the Bible... Oh but then whose Bible shall we use?
Posted by huskerarmy

[mudrose-2009]

Part I

Very simply, the %u201Cfence%u201D of the Webster letter and the %u201Cwall%u201D of the Danbury letter were not to limit religious activities in public; rather they were to limit the power of the government to prohibit or interfere with those expressions.
Posted by mudrose
Very simply wrong. Speaking on the need for that seperation...

John Adams said: "[I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue." -- The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States. (emphasis added)

John Adams: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- Oct.11, 1798 Address to the military

John Quincy Adams: "Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the corner stone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity. . ?" -- An Oration Delivered Before the Inhabitants of the Town of Newburyport, at Their Request, on the Sixty-first Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, July 4th, 1837 (Newburyport: Charles Whipple, 1837), p. 5. (emphasis added)

[huskerarmy]

If you want to ask a question about God ask Bush did God tell you to go to Iraq?
Posted by starleo146
"President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq %u2026" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'" www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush

[starleo146]

WHY WHY is religion the utmost question we are hearing in these debates. Is believing in God the main issue here ? Do you honestly think any of these debaters are not going to say what you want to hear. Both republican and democrats give me a break. Two things, get back to the issues that will show me you can handle the job. Quit blaming Hillary for Bill Clinton's mistakes the only thing she is guilty of thus far is being his wife, how do you think she felt when all that came out about Monica I'm sure she did pray to God.If you want to ask a question about God ask Bush did God tell you to go Iraq?