Comments on: Agreement Nears On Iraq Funding Bill

Democrats Close To Compromise On Paying For War Without Setting Timeline For Withdrawal

[toldyouso21]

what a complete joke that statement is. first of all, your blaming democrats that have done nothing to stop the war at all, so far.
Posted by usadvisor101 at 09:14 PM : May 22, 2007

And THAT is it in a nutshell.The Democrats have done nothing to stop the war at all, so far. Yet they have been in office almost 6 months. Troops are still dying. Iraqis are still dying. And the Democrats keep playing procedural games and passing meaningless resolutions as if we are in a popularity contest. Their way of playing is obsolete. This is a different game now. Just WHY have the Democrats done nothing to stop the war at all so far? Isn't that one of the main reasons we elected them? Just when do they plan to do something ---ANYTHING to stop the war? Or is that NOT the plan? That really, no matter which party--like our illegal alien amnesty--we have no intention of changing the status quo--the Government just want to give enough lip service to shut all of us up?

Your words "first of all, your blaming democrats that have done nothing to stop the war at all, so far." which is precisely why their lame azzes need to go. We can do bad all by ourselves we do not need Democrats for that.

[toldyouso21]

what a complete joke that statement is. first of all, your blaming democrats that have done nothing to stop the war at all, so far.
the chicken hawks have been running the war. they are the idiots that botched iraq with an undersized force, and then dismantles the iraqi army, while giving control of iraq to proiranians.
face the music, everyone knows why iraq is a disaster. its bushs legacy.
hes the worst president in americas history.
Posted by usadvisor101 at 09:14 PM : May 22, 2007

It may be Bush's and the Republican's war but it was the Democrats who FAILED to stand up to Bush and the Republicans. So what if the bills had been vetoed? The same bill should have been sent over and over and over again, until Bush realized that either he was going to go our way, or there would be no way. The Democrats are weak. They failed to push and hold the line and they folded. So even though it will forever be Bush's war--the Democrats will be remembered as neither having the guts, conviction or brains to deny the funding and to hold on to that tact until they got the troops home. In the final analysis, the killer and those who silently aided and abetted a killer in anyway are synonymous. So Bush is evil and the Democrats are too weak to stop him--so WHY should we keep them in power? Since they obviously do not know how to use such power?

[pgoodlin]

I'm more than disgusted with the Democrats! For once, I thought they would stand on their own feet and not let Rove and Bush beat them up. So what if Bush vetoes it again, keep sending it to him until he gets fed up and gives up! How many more of our young men and women are going to get killed before Congress stands on their own two feet and tells the president to go to hell and get our troops home!!

[toldyouso21]

I really do not blame either Bush or the Republicans for this. They staked out their claim and they stuck to it. It is we, who backed the wrong horse. We used Democrats as proxy for ourselves--as our champions and they sold us out. I hope Move On .org DOES move to a position of opposition and I hope the polls show Democrats at about 8% approval- They need to see that bending over and taking it up the azz was not quite what we had in mind when we wanted them to champion us. They will forever be remembered as the party that 'blinked first' not only by Republicans, but by every Democrat and Independent that dares place raw truth above fealty. They folded--they did not even try to let Bush take the blame --they just folded. like limp, wet napkins in a mud puddle.

[pansycritter]

the so-called surge does not produce tangible results by early fall( an extremely high probability), the Congressional Republicans themselves will join the Democrats in pulling the plug on this fiasco.

Posted by realpatriot1 at 08:23 PM : May 22, 2007

Oh, ok, the fall is fine but let's post each name of those who sacrifice, where they come from, who they were, and who was left behind from this day forward until the Republicans have decided they have indeed lost thier useless oil war.

Let's post the pictures of these fallen, their caskets, their greiving families. We can safely assure these families it's only until the fall...the Republicans have promised they need to only continue the killing fields so they can grab thier oil. Just a few more days.

[mdc76082]

pansycritter- unless i have some really, really, really, turn of faith epiphany cast before me btwn now and '08' elections, i know how my vote will go...unfortunately, but in today's politics you gotta have "GUTZ" & "BALLS"....and a person "like" Rove that knows how to manipulate the players and the game in order to win and win big. so far, i've seen neither by the dems.

[toldyouso21]

From the bible, God talking to Christians: "I would rather you were hot or cold, for if you are lukewarm, I will spew you from my mouth.

Democrats (and others who sit on the fence) who choose to be centrists, who try to go which ever way the wind blows...may find this is a bad time to ride the fence in America--it doesn't make your enemies like you more--and it alienates all potential friends who know they can't count on you for back up. Hilary, Obama, Guiliani, McCain--their time may not be now. We need decisive leadership based on conviction--not the latest polls, we need someone (actually an entire Congress) that will not only grab the tiger by the tail---but hold onto it, not someone who will throw us all in front of the tiger to save themselves. I really do loathe the Democrats right now--and, short of a miracle or them growing some ballz--will vote AGAINST them in 2008. luke warm--like warm spit or....other mucous laden stuff.

[toldyouso21]

the so-called surge does not produce tangible results by early fall( an extremely high probability), the Congressional Republicans themselves will join the Democrats in pulling the plug on this fiasco.

Posted by realpatriot1 at 08:23 PM : May 22, 2007


This reminds me of the weakling who continually gets picked on by a bully and to show his resolve, warns the bully better leave him alone--and adds another "really" to his threat. As in "....and this time, I really, really, really, really mean it" All talk--no action. Dems are weak and cowards. I used to think it was just a slur from the right--but no.....they really ARE weak and cowards.

2008....Country to Democrats: "Goodbye...YOU ARE the weakest link"

[mdc76082]

"Officials said the final details of the measure remained in flux. They spoke on condition of anonymity, saying that Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi intended to present the proposal to her rank and file at an evening meeting."

aka The Crying Room!

[pansycritter]

Congressional Democrats are cowards; merely creating policy by holding thier dampened finger up in the winds of Washington with no consideration for anything beyond thier next election.

Reed and Palozi are both far too frightened and weak. Both are useless. The first woman; yea. There, done. Get her out of there and get us some balls! Reed: boxer...yea...get him out of there...TKO!

[radiob-2009]

Wait and see if this is what happens


Iraq is in the process of breaking up into three autonomous or independent entities: Shiite Muslim in the south %u2013 under Tehran%u2019s aegis; Sunni Arab in the center and west, backed and massively funded by Riyadh; and a Kurdish entity in the north, under US patronage and a magnet for heavy American, Turkish, Israeli and, more recently, Iranian investment.

According to our military sources in Iraq, the objectives of the current US military effort go beyond securing central government in Baghdad and stemming sectarian hostilities; the troops are engaged in an all-out drive to prevent the rise of a fourth entity ruled by al-Qaeda in the western Anbar province



Along with this


While no Bush administration official has publicly admitted to a timeline for the US pull-out from Iraq - and has in fact fought one tooth and nail through Congress - DEBKAfile%u2019s sources in Washington, the Gulf and Baghdad report that Cheney is bringing the news to the Middle East rulers that Washington will make its decision in the second half of August and an evacuation will begin shortly thereafter.

Who is playing who?

[mdc76082]

toldyouso21 - very well put. they don't have to worry about taking taunts about 'cut & run' on the war, they're doing it with the immigration amnesty fiasco, and the this bill. losers. i voted for them (having alot of doubts) knowing well and good that they would have an uphill fight, but geez to just throw in the towel at the first sign of trouble. gimmie a break. cowards. nothing but cowards.

[toldyouso21]

the so-called surge does not produce tangible results by early fall( an extremely high probability), the Congressional Republicans themselves will join the Democrats in pulling the plug on this fiasco.

Posted by realpatriot1 at 08:23 PM : May 22, 2007


You may recall these deadlines and what the pundits and politicos said concerning the war and reversing our stance:

1. If we fail to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis, the war will fail.

2. If we reach the psychological ceiling of 2000 deaths, the American public will demand that the troops be brought home.

3. If the Iraq descends into civil war, that will be the death knell of our war and we must return home.

4. If the surge is not working by...March, April, May, Mid Summer, September (and some are now moving it up to October and November)

So...notice a trend? The benchmarks are met, and we are still there--Bush has let the Republicans know--if they lose the war--they will likely lose Congress for at least a decade--so it is all or nothing. What makes you think this deadline is any different than the dire prognostications of other deadlines? Notice how each one ignores the last benchmarks and extends the time?

More than likely--by Sept. The Republicans will be pushing for "1 more month" citing some miniscule progress --then another month--then another. Americans must Recognize "the Okie Doke" when they are being played for a patsy.

[realpatriot1]

Sharncedar,

I'll defend it. If they tried to out stubborn Bush both they and he would be cutting off funds to the troops leading to a precipitous rather than orderly redeployment.

If the so-called surge does not produce tangible results by early fall( an extremely high probability), the Congressional Republicans themselves will join the Democrats in pulling the plug on this fiasco.

The Democratic timetable that Bush doesn't want is to begin troop withdrawal in October. The Congressional Republican alluded to but un- announced timetable is for September-October. The deal is done.Why should the Democrats let Bush and the Republicans off the hook to not get the troops out any sooner?

The GOP is not going to run in 2008 on this war. They would love to be able to blame it on the Democrats though.

I wish that we could get the troops out sooner. I also wish we had a different Commander-in-Chief and more courageous Republicans like Hagel and Paul.

[toldyouso21]

cdfoxtrot... What I Meant was we don't need another Karl Rove; Yes we need someone to have his kind of organizational skills, without his deviousness. The Dems need desperately to jell together to win the WhiteHouse in '08, or we are in DEEP DOO DOO!
Posted by wayfedup at 08:08 PM : May 22, 2007


The Democrats need to stand for something and no matter the opinions or opposition NEVER back down. Some call this a backbone--others call it conviction--whichever, it is not subject to polls or bullying in--it is that special something that lets people take a stand--and stick with it --no matter the consequences. The Democrats do not have that--they do not want to be right or even to win--they just want to "be". That is just not good enough for the rest of us. They are weak. Mind numbingly, stomach turningly weak. But they have one strength--they will be whatever it takes to get a vote--this means they are phoney. Phoney and weak. They deserve to lose in 2008. I never voted for Bush --but at least that man stupid though he is, liar though he is--knows how to stick to his guns. Dems: you could learn a lot from a Dummy.

[toldyouso21]

And, in the meantime, they need to develop what medical practitioners call a "backbone". Right now, a majority of people back calls for getting out of Iraq and therefore would support a stronger stand by the Dems. What more do they need???? Posted by cdfoxtrot at 08:01 PM : May 22, 2007

Maybe a backbone? That is NOT something we can give a person or a political party, they have to already have one--and this dog looks like it won't/can't hunt. Democrats are a joke and their popularity is plummeting, there is going to be one big backlash by 2008 if they continue to deliver lies and platitudes and stupid, weak, toothless resolutions --and pretend to say they got somewhere.

[wayfedup]

cdfoxtrot... What I Meant was we don't need another Karl Rove; Yes we need someone to have his kind of organizational skills, without his deviousness. The Dems need desperately to jell together to win the WhiteHouse in '08, or we are in DEEP DOO DOO!

[toldyouso21]

The Reps. are far more effective at getting their message out, and pushing it, staying on message at every opportunity. This is the genius of Karl Rove and his gang. Posted by cdfoxtrot at 07:47 PM : May 22, 2007

You may have a point--whereas the Democrats are effective at about practically NOTHING. They are like a double amputee guaranteeing they can juggle--and being responsible for cutting off their own hands.

WAs there ever anything more stupid than:

1. Impeachment is off the table (so Jr can do whatever he likes--no consequences)

2. Guaranteeing funding for the troops by Memorial day (this just meant all Bush had to do was wait them out and he did)

These are a bunch of losers--and quite frankly our 2 choices seem to be--in the hands of a nightmare, one party police state OR in the hands of a weak group who are in the hands of the nightmare, one party police state.

At least there is something remotely pure about making a real and obvious bad choice instead of selecting an option that pretends to be something else--but is still really the same bad choice. Most of us are tired of deluding ourselves. If the Dems do not watch it--they will NOT be a shoo in for 2008 and like with Kerry--they will wonder what the h311 happened to their mandate and sure thing.

[cdfoxtrot]

"NO ONE, and I MEAN NO ONE! Needs another KARL MARX/ROVE OR FOX NEWS!"

Really? So you want the party that gave us the current moron-in-chief to appoint a successor to carry us "forward" beyond '08? Make up your minds, people. The Reps. are far more effective at getting their message out, and pushing it, staying on message at every opportunity. This is the genius of Karl Rove and his gang. Fox News is part of that. The Dems. need to develop the equivalent machinery on their side or they can look forward to another 8 years in the wilderness. And, in the meantime, they need to develop what medical practitioners call a "backbone". Right now, a majority of people back calls for getting out of Iraq and therefore would support a stronger stand by the Dems. What more do they need????

[toldyouso21]

cdfoxtrot - bravo and right on the money! If the dems don't stand & fight now, they never will and will surely lose in "08". They are caving in. So what if he vetos it. Let him veto as many times as he can. They need to show voters that they will not flinch, when even out numbered by the veto. Right now, they look like chicken-livered puppies with their tails btwn their legs whimpering. I've lost faith in the dems. I knew it would be a tough "Show Me" when they took power and now I see them having a tougher time hanging on in '08', they just don't have the "SPINE" for the long haul.
Posted by mdc76082 at 07:55 PM : May 22, 2007


I have lost almost all of my respect for the Democrats. They are weak and they cannot stand a fight--they don't even know how to fight back. Between this, and illegal immigration amnesty--they have lost my support--I hope we send them packing in 2008. Not that Republicans are better--but if we must stay in a horrible war--at least let the people who scr3wed to get that baby go through the labor pains and birth it--we thought the Democrats would champion the American people--but they lack not only a spine but conviction. If you just look at their votes on illegal amnesty and the votes of the frontrunners for President--they all abstained.

Cowards and prepared to sell out to the highest bidder--no convictions about anything.