Comments on: Gingrich: Confront "Radical Secularism"

Former House Speaker Gives Commencement At Liberty University

[bobnjersey]

[Or another example of radical secularism would possibly be when partial birth abortion is legitamized or harvesting of organs or cloning or selective elimination. It's like where do you draw the line if there is no moral foundation because science isn't going to answer those questions.]
[Posted by lestb35 at 12:14 AM : May 21, 2007]

ten minutes ago you didn't know what it meant ... now you got it all figured out?

the choice of those two words is by no means an accident ... they're both meant to immediately bring up 'whatever' it means in the minds of 'the followers' ... my guess is that it was 'dial tested' by frank luntz before newt's speech.

what you're doing right here is exactly what that phrase was meant to do ... just make it up in your head what it means to you ... using all that you've already swallowed of the right's insidious views of the world!

[urizen9]

This whole politico-religious baggage gets in the way of spiritual growth.
An over-bearing all purpose hypothesis stunts the individual psyche. It was invented for that purpose.
My way is individual. It doesn't matter where I start to find my own way. Nor is there a purpose or goal besides growth.
You'd be surprised how interesting that can be!

[neoconrcrazy]

"the growing culture of radical secularism" Newt, the guy who, while prosecuting Clinton - was having his extra-marital fling....


The division of church and State - the way our founding fathers wanted it -

and they way it shall remain - till Kingdom come!

[randalds]

Posted by lestb35 at 12:04 AM : May 21, 2007

I completely disagree. Radical secularism is just another way of saying you support the separation of church and state. No one who is a secularist (like me) supports anyone's rights over anyone else, but certainly do not condone water boarding or other forms of torture and no one who really is a christian should either. Who would Christ torture? The opponents of secularism offer not a compromise that would keep the separation of church and state intact, but rather demand complete control. The establishment of an officially christian nation. That's intolerable to any American who truly believe in the freedoms this nation was founded upon. That concept is Un-Ameirican.

[lestb35]

Or another example of radical secularism would possibly be when partial birth abortion is legitamized or harvesting of organs or cloning or selective elimination. It's like where do you draw the line if there is no moral foundation because science isn't going to answer those questions. We grew up in a country with a solid foundation basically built on Christianity. Without that moral compass how do we know in 100 years what the foundation might be if we don't preserve that portion of our history.

[lestb35]

Yea, well I'm not so sure that's what they're talkng about there. I think it's more like the insanity of when a child molester's rights trumps the victims, or when we can't waterboard a terrorist when to stop an attack for which could kill thousands. Stuff like that. Separation of church and state is in not going to be messed with but when any religious symbol has to be stripped out of our society it's like communist Soviet Union. That's radical secularism. I think.

[randalds]

Radical Secularism is the concept that church and state should be kept separate. you know, like the Founding Fathers thought and wrote into the Bill of Rights. People like Newt don't believe that. They believe that this should be a government controlled completely by Christians and only by Christians. They refer to people who still think the Founding Fathers had it right the first time and believe in the separation of church and state as being radical in an attempt to demonize them. to try to make it seem like they are trying something new, instead of the fact that we jut want to keep the Bill of Rights the way it is. That's the meaning of radical secularism, Charlie Brown.

[lestb35]

I've been trying to figure out what "radical secularism" means and then I thought today it must mean, a boundryless, cultureless, moraless, foundationless anarchy of some sort. In that case I too, support the fight against radical secularism.

[actornaught]

"Lars is a group of people" would explain the massive quantity of bizarro logic keyboard diarrhea under that name. It was unreadable pretty much as soon the name cropped up.

[erichsh]

tomtomcasters:
"OK Newt join the choir of all white guys running for the Republican Party. Not one woman, no black Americans, no Native Americans, no nothing American for that matter. Nothing but the same stench that has been going on since 1776."

So what country, in this whole world, do you think has a government that most matches your personal political beliefs? Cuba? (Michael Moore likes their heathcare system). I'm not suggesting you move there, I'm just curious about what your ideal vision of a government would look like.

A Communist supporter handed me a four-page newsletter at a Cinco de Mayo festival in San Francisco which I read cover to cover. THe gist of it was that America sux and capitalism sux, the rich are getting richer and the working class is getting hosed. The only solution was that citizens needed to rise up and take control of the government again. But then what? What comes next? No answer.

Anyone have answers as opposed to criticisms and attacks?