Comments on: Immigration Deal Faces Uncertain Future

Bipartisan Agreement Between White House And Senators Under Fire From Both Sides Of The Aisle

[rudy654-2009]

"and yes i do want the brown people to be gone"

See!! If anyone thinks this isn't all about hundreds of years of white anglo racism is a fool. Yes, send the "brown" people back, and let's send you into the tomato field for some browning. You lovely little racist you! Where's you white sheet?

[ecope01]

randallds, when george dumba** bush came into office the national debt was 5.6 trillion and today it is 8.8 trillion. So that is considerably more than 800 billion. In fact i will help you out on this one. that is

$3.2 trillion

which is an interesting figure, given that it took from the beginning of our country until the year 2000 to accumalate $5.6 trillion in debt and georgy comes into office and racks up an additional 3.2 trillion and hasn't even left yet

oh and just because i bash george bush does not mean i support kerry

[ecope01]

actually randallds we are borrowing more than 700 billion this year. we borrow on average 3 billion per day. I will let you do the math on that. and yes most of that is because of the wars. but what does it matter, we don't have enough money no matter what the numbers are to pay our bills, so for TED KENNEDY to proposed that we spend $2.4 trillion in an attempt to give amnesty to 12-20 million people is absurd.

[ecope01]

as far as random traffic stops or any law in this country, the illegal invaders have no right or entitilement to anything in this country. Oops, that is not correct, they do have but one entitlement: TO BE DEPORTED and that's all!

you are attempting to treat them as if they are citizens and they are not. so they have no emtitlements except to be deported

[ecope01]

you are correct randallds i do not want to hear about any plan to make them legal, and yes i do want the brown people to be gone, and yes it is possible. I am not sure who you are or what your deal is but you are standing up for foreigners who have invaded my country and are attempting to tell me i have to pay for their housing, education, retirement, food, and health care. I think that if you would like to stand up for whatever latin people, (which seems to be the only ones you defend)then i suggest you go to whatever country it is that you have a respect for and defend them, but before you do, denounce your loyalty to this country.

[starleo146]

ecope the news of the problem in Arizona and Laredo Texas and it showed the tunnels they have built which is costing us quarter of a million dollars just to fill it up and we do not know how many more might be out there it was on Cnn.

[ecope01]

it looks like randallds has been having a hay day.

[starleo146]

Doyou think the immigration we have in our country is not costing us today I'm not talking about what they propose in this new bill. We give food, healthcare,education, etc etc who is paying for this?? You all correct me when people applied for entry into our country before Reagan only so many could get a visa and when they got here they worked never asked our government for anything went to school for citizenship it took these people years to accomplish all this and they are well respected and I bet they love this country I don't have money to pay for me, these people take it for granted I am only talking about illegals now and they expect handout food stamps etc. etc. this costs us now, this bill will give them free college do you know what college cost the American citizen. Next they will want to have a quota in the work force and throw me out so they can have a job. That has already been done and I expect it again.

[klingon69]

To say it's just because they are here illegally is a load of ***, because in the next breath they say that don't want to hear about any plan to help make them legal, which gives the lie to their objection. If it really was just because they're illegal then they'd be happy to help devise a plan to make them legal, but they don't want that.
Posted by RandalDS at 05:59 PM : May 19, 2007

RandalDS;
As usual you want to play the race card again. It matters not whether they are brown, red, yellow, white, black...or any other color of the rainbow. What matters is basically giving amnesty to those that are in this country illegally. There are ways that have been established and if followed would allow them to become legal residents and provide a path for citizenship.
Let me ask you, given the current state of affairs in regard to illegal immigration, the lax enforcement or nonenforcement of set laws, do you really think our government will "waste the money" needed to enforce and monitor the new laws?

[coffeehead-2009]

That history has created among Chicanos a feeling of resentment for being "a conquered people," made part of the United States against their will and by the force of arms. Their resentment is expressed by Voz Fronteriza, a Chicano student publication, which referred to Border Patrol officers killed in the line of duty as "pigs (migra)" trying to defend "the false frontier."

Chicanos are also distinct from other immigrant groups because of the geographic proximity of their native country. Their physical proximity to Mexico gives Chicanos "the option of life in both Americas, in two places and in two cultures, something earlier immigrants never had." Geographic proximity and ease of transportation are augmented by the media. Radio and television keep the spoken language alive and current so that Spanish, unlike the native languages of previous immigrants into the United States, "shows no sign of fading."14

A result of all that is the failure by Chicanos to be fully assimilated into the larger American society and culture. As Earl Shorris, author of Latinos: A Biography of the People, observed: "Latinos have been more resistant to the melting pot than any other group. Their entry en masse into the United States will test the limits of the American experiment"

http://www.diversityalliance.org/docs/Chang-aztlan.html

[randalds]

My ancestors immigrated to SC back in 1752 from Germany. They worked hard to build a home in what was wilderness back then by chopping down trees, clearing land, etc.

SEND THE ILLEGALS BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM TO BEGIN WITH!!!!
Posted by sclaires at 02:56 PM : May 19, 2007

Yep, chopping down trees, clearing land, slaughtering the people who already lived here by the hundreds of thousands to steal the land that they cleared, etc.

Yep! Send everyone back where they came from to begin with!!!

[randalds]

We are borrowing $700,000,000,000.00(yes, billion)from foreign nations just to pay our bills this year.

How much are we going to have to borrow to pay just for this ONE bill once it is implemented?

Why does Ted Kennedy think that the problem is that we have not paid enough money yet.


Posted by ecope01 at 11:14 AM : May 19, 2007

In the first place we are not borrowing 700 billion dollars this year. We are borrowing about 100-200 billon (depending on the deficet in the current budget (yet to be settled)) and the vast vast vast majority of the reasons that we have to borrow money at all is to pay for the war. We do owe 800 billion more then we did when Bush became president, again due to his war of choice. And the whole idea that this immigration plan will cost anything near a trillion dollars, let alone 2.4, is laughable! Stop just making *** up.

[tbweb]

Oh well, Pres. Bush got the immigration legislation on the table, he had to give away the store to Sen. Kennedy to do it but now lets see if it passes. Looks like Pres. Bush's quote is working.

It's going to be the year of the sharp elbow and the quick tongue.
-- George W. Bush

[randalds]

STep up random traffic stops. No drivers license, no insurance, no proof of citizenship or ability to prove citizenship, adios amigos.
Posted by cbgb31 at 11:45 AM : May 19, 2007

Random traffic stops are unConstitutional. The police can set up DUI check points, but it is illegal for them to do anything more then to see if a person is noticeably intoxicated or there is a smell of alcohol. They can not, by law, ask for a proof of citizenship and under the constitution they never will be able to (thank the forefathers!) because it's considered an invasion of privacy, as it certainly is. It's the same reason why a national ID card will never pass a Supreme Court challenge.

[randalds]

Look at what happen after the raids at the meatpacking plants. The environment changed (illegals gone) and the Americans willfully applied for the jobs. Would you want to work in that environment? Deport them back to their own country to stand up and fix the problems in their own country so we can all have more prosperity.

so lets solve this issue first.
Posted by ecope01 at 03:39 PM : May 19, 2007

Actually the meat packing plants shutdown for a few weeks and when the interest had died down re-employed a mostly Mexican crew, some of whom had been deported and were already back.

[randalds]

There are many great people and if there were not so many people who are scared of everyone who doesn't look like them, then we would have a much better world; and country!!
Posted by michellelyn6 at 11:57 AM : May 19, 2007

Amen and right on. People can deny it all they want, but the truth is that this is because these people are brown. To say it's just because they are here illegally is a load of ***, because in the next breath they say that don't want to hear about any plan to help make them legal, which gives the lie to their objection. If it really was just because they're illegal then they'd be happy to help devise a plan to make them legal, but they don't want that. They just want the brown people to be gone, even though they know that it is simply not possibile or going to happen.

[randalds]

Ah, that was brought during the regime of Jimmy Carter. He basically said like the vietnamese boat people, if you reach America, you can stay.

Posted by Klingon69 at 02:57 PM : May 19, 2007

No it's been that way since Castro took over under Eisenhower.

[ecope01]

I wholeheartedly agree peter776.

[peter776-2009]

Our government is broken, as evidenced by this truly insane piece of legislation that benefits no one but greedy business owners and illegal aliens. Just who do our so-called representatives think their constituents are? A few fat-cats who own packing plants or construction companies? The millions of illegal aliens who have flaunted our laws with impunity? The rest of us will be paying the price for this incredibly stupid bill for a long time to come if it passes. We're already paying the bills for all the freeloading criminals who have sneaked across our borders to invade our schools, our communities, our hospitals and our parks. The government should be focused on implementing a national I.D. system so we know who is here, and whether they have a right to be here in the first place. A wall needs to be built along the entire U.S.-Mexico border as soon as possible. We need to amend our constitution so drop babies do not become citizens. And we need to deny all benefits to illegal aliens, including helath care and education. In short, we need to stop being fools and start enforcing our laws. Twelve million people can't be deported? In the 1950s Eisenhower deported 1.2 million illegal aliens. Another 3 to 4 million illegal aliens left on their own. Figure out who is in this country, deny illegal aliens all benefits, and start deporting them. The rest will go home all by themselves when they have no place to live, no place to work and no place to get educated.

[ecope01]

Vote NO on cloture on Rule 14 on S. 1348 %u2026 and vote NO on cloture on any bill that would give legal residence to illegal aliens %u2026 Don%u2019t let any of these bills be brought to a vote