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Actor And Former Senator Explains Why He Could Be President, But Won't Commit To Running

[randalds]

But, that is the reality of the situation anyhow, isn't it?

Goodnight.
Posted by Pepelapue6 at 03:32 AM : May 06, 2007

Nope, but obviously you've closed your mind along with your eyes and there is no way to make you see again. For some reason you've convinced yourself that I must be a certain way about everything just because I'm an atheist. It's you who are stereotyping. Yes I do believe our troops are dying for nothing just like I believe they were when I was serving in Vietnam. Freedom is certainly worth fighting and dying for, as I know, but what's happening in Iraq is not about freedom for us here or for the freedom of the Iraqi's. It is not a war, it is a war crime. Still no matter all of the truth I could tell you, you won't listen because your mind is already made up. That's evidenced by this really weird obsession you seem to have with seeing me as a bitter and angry person, when I haven't shown you anything of that kind. I have spoken calmly and with respect, in spite of your half-hearted taunts. I feel terribly terribly sorry for you. It must be hell to be you in your closed off world. I pity you. Truly and without malice, I pity you.

[pepelapue6]

One last thing before my sleepy eyes lead me to mispell everything.
Randal, you doge and weave so much that you never quite bring yourself to engage anything I say in depth or with any real quality.
You say I see hate that is not there and then in the same breath tell us how much hate is there.

By the way, is Freedom not worth dying for in your world. Every member of our forces volunteered, and they serve valiantly and bravely to defend every right, every breath, every second you have. No one yet knows if our troops have served and died for no reason. However, based on your comments about the war, I can assume you side with the liberals and want us to surrender. At that point, they will have served and died for no reason. Therefore, based on your last statement, you would have to hate yourself. But, that is the reality of the situation anyhow, isn't it?

Goodnight.

[randalds]

Now, it's late and I must bid you farewell. I doubt we will interact any firther as I will be moving on with life and leaving your anger and bitterness and stone cold heart in God's capable hands.
Posted by Pepelapue6 at 03:25 AM : May 06, 2007

I don't know whose posts you've been reading, but there is not the anger or bitterness in my heart that you seem to have convinced yourself is there. Also my wife, children, friends neighbors and even my dogs will tell you that my heart is anything but stone cold. Still if it makes you feel better to think that that is how atheists are, then hey, more power to you. It's not true, but then again neither are most any of christian beliefs, so who am I to judge this one. Have a happy, I will.

[randalds]

But, you seem to fear losing that argument to Christian values, therefore your desire and absolute need to silence Christians who value things differently from you.
Posted by Pepelapue6 at 03:19 AM : May 06, 2007

Again I have no idea where you're getting the idea that I'm trying to silence anyone. I am not. Everyone has the right to free speech. However as for ga*y marriage the fact that society has been wrong about this for hundreds of years still doesn't make it right. For a long time people we're fine with slavery too, but that didn't make it right because people finally realized that they don't have the right to own other people. Just like they don't have the right to tell other people they can't get married just because their bible says it's wrong or that this is how its "always been". People evolve. If two men get married the only harm it does to you is that it offends your religious and personal beliefs. however in a free country that is not enough for you to have the right to try to stop them. Anti-ga*y marriage laws will eventually be over turned for the same reason slavery was done away with in this country. Some things are just not right for others to do to other people.

[pepelapue6]

Randal, in regards to atheism, you claim that Christians don't understand wht it is to not believe. That is a very narrowminded and closeminded belief you have there.

No one is born a Christian, we are all re-born a Christian. Therefore we all know very well what it's like to travel through life not believeing.
So, I understand atheism much better than you now that I am a Christian. But, as I said, there is not enough room here to explain it all to you. But, I pray that God will do that for you as He did for me.

Now, it's late and I must bid you farewell. I doubt we will interact any firther as I will be moving on with life and leaving your anger and bitterness and stone cold heart in God's capable hands. There is nothing I could ever say or do to convince you. But, my prayer for God to soften your heart may leave the door open for a later time.

[randalds]

What I am saying is that your actions, or in this case your words, do not elicit images of a happy person. With all of that hate and anger building up inside you for people you don't even know or simply understand, you couldn't possibly be happy. I see all kinds of people that wear all kinds of masks. I am guilty of wearing those same masks in my past, and will in the future if I am not vigilant and trust in Him in all things.
Posted by Pepelapue6 at 03:06 AM : May 06, 2007

Ahh but I think you see a hate in me that's not really there or at least not nearly as much as you think you see. The only hate I feel is toward people who try to tell me that I have to live by their religious rules. T Or people who send others off to die in a useless wasteful war. Things like that. That's all. Other then that I'm quite a happy man. I enjoy life, have a great wife and my dogs think I make the sun go up and down. I have four grown sons from a previous marriage and they're all relatively happy too.

[pepelapue6]

In continuation, Randal said,
"People who have religious objections to ga*y marriage do not have the right to prevent ga*y people who don't believe in the same faith from getting married."
Based on your premise that no one can force their beliefs and values on anyone else, it is the gay people who are the offenders here. We have been living a certain way since the begining of human interactions as a society, and yet, now there are those that demand we change to conform to their views. I know it is too hard for you to see or admit that, but that is simply the way it is my friend.
However, I am not like you. I don't believe those that push gay marriage must be silenced. They have the same right as I do to try and convince America to make the changes and accept their values. I too have the right to try and convince America to retain the values we have held all this time and reject other new values.
But, you seem to fear losing that argument to Christian values, therefore your desire and absolute need to silence Christians who value things differently from you.

[randalds]

I am afraid I don't know how to post another's comments like you all do, so I will just quote Randal here.

Posted by Pepelapue6 at 03:06 AM : May 06, 2007

What you do is to put the cursor (the line that shows where your typing) in front of the first letter of the words or sentence you want to move. Then you hold the left button down on your mouse and move it until all of the words you want to move are highlighted (in blue usually). Once all the words you want to move are highlighted then you release the left button on the mouse and click on the right one with the cursor anywhere in the highlighted area. A menu will pop up and you just left click on the choice "copy". Then you move the cursor to where you want to put the words, usually in the comment box, and right click again. When the menu pops up just click on the word paste and it'll put all of the highlighted words there. Feel free to email me at [e-mail] if you have any tech stuff to ask.

[pepelapue6]

Randal, you didn't answer the question. Where do you get your values. What makes them superior to mine. Your "dis-belief" is in itself a value of yours. Why is it any better or more vaild than mine?

In regards to "gay marriage", it is I who am living in a reality that has existed throughout history. One man and one woman equals a marriage. It has been that way throughout history in every culture and place. So, therefore is it you and those who "foist" "gay marriage" on the rest of us who are doing the pushing, my friend. You have it completely backwards. It is the "gay marriage lobby" that is trying to force their beliefs and values on a society that does not want to change for many reasons, some which do not even inlude religion.

[pepelapue6]

I am afraid I don't know how to post another's comments like you all do, so I will just quote Randal here.

"And don't you see that it is arrogance like this that offends other people? religion hasn't cornered the market on happiness or morality or contentment or joy or peace. All of those are human emotions, human feelings that are inside of everyone naturally, not religiously and I feel them ever bit as much in my daily life as even the most religious person in the world. I just feel them without the need of an outside god that I don't believe in. I believe that man created god in his own image and likeness and gave human all of the best of attributes from humanity. Man gave morals and happiness and joy to the god he created. He didn't get them from him."

What I am saying is that your actions, or in this case your words, do not elicit images of a happy person. With all of that hate and anger building up inside you for people you don't even know or simply understand, you couldn't possibly be happy. I see all kinds of people that wear all kinds of masks. I am guilty of wearing those same masks in my past, and will in the future if I am not vigilant and trust in Him in all things.

[randalds]

Randal. we all have values, even you as an atheist. I can even argue well that your atheism is itself a religion, but that does take a little more than 1500 characters.
Posted by Pepelapue6 at 02:44 AM : May 06, 2007

Oh and no offense, but if you had 15000 words or 15,000,000 you could not mount a convincing argument that atheism is a religion. It is not. In order for it to be a religion it would have to have the one thing that it doesn't have, a deity. ALL religion has a deity or deities of some form and a set of beliefs related to that deity or deities. Atheism has no deity or set of beliefs to follow. There are no written rules of atheism or meetings or places of worship or gatherings. So-called people of faith, of all types, try to say that it is a religion because they can not really grasp the concept of not believing. To them everyone believes in something, so atheism must just be a belief that there is no god, but that that is a belief in itself. It is not a belief, it is a lack of one. A lack of a belief in something is actually very different then an affirmative dis-belief in the same thing. A dis-belief implies that something exists that can be dis-believed, but a lack of a belief does not carry that burden.

[randalds]

Since you and both have our own values, where do you get your's?
What makes your values more vaild than mine? Why do you feel it necessary to "foist" your values on others while telling them they must not do so themselves?

Posted by Pepelapue6 at 02:44 AM : May 06, 2007

But I don't foist my believe on anyone else. Yes we all certainly have a right to express our feelings and beliefs and values, but we do not have the right to make other people live by our religious values. For instance when it comes to ga*y marriage. People who have religious objections to ga*y marriage do not have the right to prevent ga*y people who don't believe in the same faith from getting married. I mean it's not like you'll be required to accept it or put up with it in your family or church, but you do not have the right to force others to conform, to pass laws making what they're doing because of their beliefs illegal. that's what I mean by foisting your beiefs on others. Free speech, of course, but you can not force others to follow your religious beliefs. I don't.

[randalds]

What are you left with? an unhappy, hate-filled, angry, bitter, miserable creature. God can change you and I hope and pray He will.
Posted by Pepelapue6 at 02:36 AM : May 06, 2007

And don't you see that it is arrogance like this that offends other people? religion hasn't cornered the market on happiness or morality or contentment or joy or peace. All of those are human emotions, human feelings that are inside of everyone naturally, not religiously and I feel them ever bit as much in my daily life as even the most religious person in the world. I just feel them without the need of an outside god that I don't believe in. I believe that man created god in his own image and likeness and gave human all of the best of attributes from humanity. Man gave morals and happiness and joy to the god he created. He didn't get them from him.

[pepelapue6]

Randal. we all have values, even you as an atheist. I can even argue well that your atheism is itself a religion, but that does take a little more than 1500 characters.
Since you and both have our own values, where do you get your's?
What makes your values more vaild than mine? Why do you feel it necessary to "foist" your values on others while telling them they must not do so themselves? That is, after all, exactly what you are doing. You believe. I believe. Why can you express your beliefs, yet tell me I cannot. The only difference is where our values come from. What makes the origins of your values any more vaild than mine?
Sir, the thing is this. You have the right, just as I, to voice your opinions and express your values how you please. You and I have the right to try and convince others to share or adopt our values and opinions. The difference in us is that I am so secure in my values and faith that to share them with others does not require that you be silenced. Yet, you seem to need an atmosphere of no competition of ideas in order to share your values and opinions honestly. I think we all know why.

[randalds]

Actually if you'd bother to read my posts, including the one below, you'd see that I don't disparage all religious people. Again, only the ones who feel they have the right to try to force their religious beliefs on me and others who don't believe the way that they do. that is hardly the same thing as being hateful toward all Christians. Hey, some of my best friends are Christian! And Jews (like my wife). And Muslims. And atheists. Hey whatever works for you, whatever gets you through the night, whatever makes your socks roll up and down, go for it. But just don't try to push it on me or try to sell your product in the public schools. Seems reasonable to me.

[pepelapue6]

I could go on and possibly will if the urge comes to me. But, in the end, Randal, you will not shake my faith and your hateful attitude will not even come close to moving my opinions. In fact, I will simply leave you behind to wallow in your miserable existence. However, as I move on, I will say a strong prayer for you. I pray that God will pour out His perfect Love and fill your heart with it so that you may find the Peace you are craving. The masks you wear are only hurting you. You are the one who has to live with you. We all can move on and be happy. What are you left with? an unhappy, hate-filled, angry, bitter, miserable creature. God can change you and I hope and pray He will.

[pepelapue6]

I always find it interesting when I come across sucha person as Randal. It amazes me that a person would spend so much mental energy on trying to disparage another person's faith and beliefs. Why do they do it. I don't really know but have some thoughts on it.
They are first and foremost afraid of something. Maybe deep down they recognize the truth and live in fear of it. I fought with this one at one point when I was living immorally and against the Truth and Way of Jesus Christ. I was in fear of making the changes necessary in my life once I accepted what my heart and soul was telling me. I knew that the way forward was to follow Jesus' Way, yet the natural fear of change all humans have is strong. But, it is irrational. Another reason is that such a person loves the immoral nature of his existence and is having fun, therefore does not want that to end.

[randalds]

Why are you so angry and hate-filled for Christians?

Posted by Pepelapue6 at 02:22 AM : May 06, 2007

I'm not. I am only angry toward Christians who try to foist their values on everyone else. At Christians who believe that they have the right to tell everyone else how they must live because their bible tells them so. The fact is that this is America and they do not have the right to tell others how to live just because their book says so any more then a Muslim does or a Jew or even an atheist like me. I have a right to live my life free of your beliefs if I choose not to believe them. As for Thompson, he's to the right of Bush and that's what people are really tired of. People want a change from the right wingers and he will not get elected. Besides he's in favor of sending even more troops to die for nothing in Iraq. That alone will doom him in the general election. Thank god. lol!

[pepelapue6]

Why are you so angry and hate-filled for Christians?

Back to the issue at hand.
Thompson's speech last night at the Lincoln Club proves to me he will be our next President. People are tired of the hatred and sniping. People are weary of the negative attacks and pessimism. People are primed and ready for someone who genuinely wants to better America, not just gain power for it's own sake. Thompson is going to be that man. Sorry, Randal, Christians, athiests, liberals, Conservatives, Republicans and Democrats, INdependants and Moderates, all will join together to support the optimism and truth of Thompson's message and you can rant and rave all you want. In the end, you will be left behind if all you have to offer is the hate and anger you display here.

[randalds]

no worries on spelling. :) I make woorse misstaks
Posted by bhmortim at 02:11 AM : May 06, 2007

lol! Me two. But my elementary school teacher, Mrs. Mays, would be horribly disappointed in me. I just hope she never finds out (if she's still alive) that I gave up writing in cursive as soon as I dropped out of school. It'd be off to the woodshed (yep, we actually had one) for me.