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bellaL wrote:

"You're right I won't. I'm not interested in Latin American politics. I do however, follow and support some charities who work there."

I haven't been talking specifically about Latin American politics - I have been talking about US interference in Latin America, that has resulted in the deaths of many, many thousands of people, as well as the oppression of millions more due to the support of ruthless and murderous dictators and despots by the United States.

Whether you choose to ignore it or not, the support of these evil men by the United States has helped create the situation where US charities are required to assist the Latin American poor (afterall, the rich don't require the charity you refer to).

You don't need to be interested in Latin American politics, but you should be interested in the causes of the very situations that require US Aid by various charities.

What would you rather do - prevent the causes that lead to starvation, illiteracy and/or poverty or try to fix the problem after it has already negatively affected millions of people.

[bellal-2009]

Considering we (a tiny percent of the world's population) are in control of most of the world's wealth (and not sharing), I think they might have a point.
Posted by jdeltoro1 at 12:03 AM : Mar 11, 2007

Wealth is not finite.

bellaL wrote:

"OK, now I get it. You're a bit whack. I don't understand a thing you said. Is English your first, second or third language."

One could ask the same of GW Bush.

[bellal-2009]

I doubt you will though -Posted by mcdazz at 12:56 AM : Mar 11, 2007


You're right I won't. I'm not interested in Latin American politics. I do however, follow and support some charities who work there.

bellaL wrote:

"It sounds as though you were in the Nicaraquan Nationalist army. I'm sorry for you defeat,I8c6. How would your country have been now if your revolution had been successfull"

I see. You can't argue with someone who actually takes the time to explain something to you, so you need to insult them instead.

How old are you?

[bellal-2009]

US "charity" largely consisted of providing money to "friendly" dicators who looked out for American interests while oppressing, torturing and murdering their own citizens.

NO, Us charity $ consist of millions of dollars per year donated by citizens for the betterment and AID of the Latin people. Volunteers risk their lives daily to provide AID while their own citizens come to America for the good life. THAT'S what I'm talking about.

[bellal-2009]

It sounds as though you were in the Nicaraquan Nationalist army. I'm sorry for you defeat,I8c6. How would your country have been now if your revolution had been successfull

bellaL wrote:

"And maybe a little beyond your scope mcdazz is the millions of Latins who have been saved by US charity $."

US "charity" largely consisted of providing money to "friendly" dicators who looked out for American interests while oppressing, torturing and murdering their own citizens.

Effectively, US "charity" was provided to assist in the exploitation of Latin Americans - not necessarily to help them.

It should also be mentioned that many of those dictators were helped put in place by the US - in particular, the CIA.

Of course, most Republicans choose to ignore the truth because it would open their eyes to the dishonesty and lies that they have been brought up on.

I highly recommend that you do some research for yourself - Google "Latin American dictators supported by the US" and you will see for yourself.

Alternatively, Google the below names.

Somoza
Pinochet
Stroessner
Rios Montt
Noriega (before the US tired of him)
Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez
Francois Duvalier
Jean Claude Duvalier
Colonel Hugo Banzer

I doubt you will though - I mean, why let the truth stand in the way of lies.

[l8c6]

Apart from such general rhetoric, a look at specific interventions shows that the usual justification was not the establishment of democracies but the overthrow of "communists." Guatemala was an elected democracy in 1954; that year, the United States put a military regime into power. In Vietnam, the United States supported the cancellation of the 1956 elections and backed one after another repressive South Vietnamese leader who took power through coups and assassinations. The 1965 Dominican Republic intervention (to prevent a previously elected president from re-assuming power after he had been ousted by a coup) was initially justified as protecting U.S. citizens from civil unrest and later was sold to the public as a necessary act to prevent a new communist state in the hemisphere. Chile's Allende was democratically elected and the United States covertly installed a bloody military dictatorship in his place in 1973. It was simply not credible to mouth "democracy" and then install a military dictator.

[l8c6]

CIA Director William Casey presented proposals for covert actions against Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Laos, Cambodia, Grenada, Iran, Libya, and Cuba. On March 9, 1981, six weeks after taking office, Reagan authorized covert military actions against the Nicaraguan government, and on December 1, 1981, he signed a covert action plan calling for the creation of a 500 commando force and the expenditure of $19 million to conduct paramilitary operations against Nicaragua. On March 19, 1981, Reagan formally asked Congress to repeal the 1976 Clark Amendment prohibiting U.S. aid to the rebels attempting to overthrow the government in Angola. The ClA reportedly violated the Clark ban by training, funding, and arming the rebels. The Reagan administration increased the covert supply of arms to the resistance in Afghanistan, a policy begun in the Carter administration.' In December 1982, the ClA informed Congress that the Nicaraguan commandos, called counterrevolutionaries or "contras" by the Sandinistas, had grown to 4,000 men. By late 1982, the U.S. media reported that the goal of Reagan's Nicaragua policy was indeed rollback: the overthrow of the Sandinista government. In 1984, Congress repealed the Clark Amendment; in 1985 and 1986, the administration provided $15 million per year for Jonis Savimbi's Angolan insurgents. The number of covert actions jumped from a dozen small ones in 1980, to about forty major operations in 1986.

[l8c6]

So, Reagan did damage to Nicaragua beyond the imaginations of the people who are hearing me now. The ripple effects of that; criminal murderous interventions in my country will go on for what, 50 years or more.

Reagan in fact was an international outlaw. He came to the Presidency of the United States shortly after Samosa, a Dictator that the U.S. has imposed over Nicaragua for practically half a century; had been deposed by Nicaraguan Nationalists under the leadership of the Sandinista Liberation Front. To Reagan Nicaragua had to be re-conquered. He blamed Carter for having lost Nicaragua, as if Nicaragua ever belonged to anyone else other than the Nicaraguan people. That was then the beginning of this war that Reagan invented, and mounted and financed and directed, the Contra War. About which he continually lied to the People. Helping the United States people to be the most ignorant people around the world. I said ignorant, I don't say not intelligent. But the most ignorant people around the world about what the United States does abroad. People don't even begin to see -- if they did, they would rebel.----Fr. Miguel D'Escoto, a Catholic priest based in Managua, Nicaragua. He was Nicaragua's Foreign Minister under the Sandinista government in the 1980s.

[bellal-2009]

So what. How about they don't come here to go to the US Army school. How about Latins get a backbone and some political courage and not let their countrymen sell out to another country. How about they stay home and honor their own country, work for their own country, give aid and charity to their own country and quit coming here for a fast buck, cushy lifestyle and/or American social services.

[l8c6]

U. S. Army School of the Americas, Fort Benning, Georgia

When they return to their home countries, graduates of the SOA hold a rather unique and peculiar view of their countrymen. They look upon priests, social workers, journalists, and liberal intellectuals, not as assets to their societies, but as dangerous subversives, working to undermine the system that keeps these soldiers, army officers, and their sponsors in power.

Graduates of the SOA have been among the most repressive tyrants in Latin America, and their actions have been some of the most cruel and violent. In El Salvador, in 1989, a Salvadoran army patrol executed six Jesuit priests as they lay face-down on the ground at Central America University. According to the United Nation's Truth Commission Report on El Salvador in 1993, 19 of the 27 officers who took part in the executions were trained at the SOA.

[bellal-2009]

OK, now I get it. You're a bit whack. I don't understand a thing you said. Is English your first, second or third language.

[l8c6]

bellaL, U.S. citizens work around the world in foreign countries. Are there no jobs for them here in the United States?

If other countries decide they don't wish to play ball anymore with a corrupt, hypocritical, violent, offensive U.S. and participate in it's brand of business promoted as the "free market". What will the right wing do then? Most likely back off conveniently and hypocritically betraying free market principles and turn to threats, maybe invade. What else could the right wing do? Threaten the world with "nucler" bombs? This is the right wing dinosaur brain and that's who the right wing supports in latin america.

[bellal-2009]

i8c6, and are you implying those deaths are the fault of America? The Latin countries obviously have a hard time with both political stability and financial prosperity. Why is that our fault?

bellaL wrote:

"So being called illegal is insulting now. I thought it was a badge of honor. Your either legal or illegal. It's hardly name calling."

Apparently, you must have missed it (or maybe just chose to ignore what I wrote).

"It's funny, but Republicans and their supporters frequently claim that Democrats and their supporters always resort to name calling and petty insults."

To make it a bit easier for you, "...resort to name calling and petty insults."

Perhaps you can understand that.

[l8c6]

The 8 years Reagan was in office represented one of the most bloody eras in the history of the Western hemisphere, as Washington funneled money, weapons and other supplies to right wing death squads. And the death toll was staggering - more than 70,000 political killings in El Salvador, more than 100,000 in Guatemala, 30,000 killed in the contra war in Nicaragua. In Washington, the forces carrying out the violence were called "freedom fighters." This is how Ronald Reagan described the Contras in Nicaragua: "They are our brothers, these freedom fighters and we owe them our help. They are the moral equal of our founding fathers."----Fr. Miguel D'Escoto, a Catholic priest based in Managua, Nicaragua. He was Nicaragua's Foreign Minister under the Sandinista government in the 1980s.

[bellal-2009]

Nope I'm a totally legal Immigrant Certified Computer Engineer who speaks three languages I'm sure I'm better tha you
Posted by cfuchs2 at 12:09 AM : Mar 11, 2007


AH HAH!!!! What, Columbia too dangerous for you. Or are there no jobs there. What a joke.

[bellal-2009]

Hint: Many thousands of dead latin Americans.

Perhaps that's a little beyond your scope though.

The truth always hurts.

Posted by mcdazz at 12:17 AM : Mar 11, 2007

And maybe a little beyond your scope mcdazz is the millions of Latins who have been saved by US charity $.