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- "True. The whole "good people have nothing to fear" argument is simple-minded propaganda. An example: Thousands of innocent Americans are convicted of crimes every year. Why? because if you can put together enough coincidences, ..."
DefndLiberty
Indeed.
ST
"Five coincidences make a plan."
SearingTruth
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- " ...Did it occur to anyone that this step by Mr. Mueller happens to be a stand to bring some of the liberties and securities back to the general public, democrat, republican or otherwise? ..."
SynReaper
No. It is simply another obfuscation within an obfuscation within an obfuscation. No one in the Bush administration has any intention of restoring any of our historic rights and liberties, and are simply covering their rear ends by putting the best face on their devastating crimes against our nation, which they knew would soon be revealed anyway.
ST
"Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness."
George Washington, Circular to the States, May 9, 1753
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796
"No compact among men... can be pronounced everlasting and inviolable, and if I may so express myself, that no Wall of words, that no mound of parchment can be so formed as to stand against the sweeping torrent of boundless ambition on the one side, aided by the sapping current of corrupted morals on the other."
George Washington, draft of First Inaugural Address, April 1789
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- It is amazing to me that the entire conversation of comments revolves around politically motivated banter. Did it occur to anyone that this step by Mr. Mueller happens to be a stand to bring some of the liberties and securities back to the general public, democrat, republican or otherwise? I indeed have newfound respect for Mr. Mueller. Many officials in the past have stepped down from office in fear of dealing with the situation at hand, and I honestly think that after this situation has been corrected, he may go down in the books as one of if not the most effective directors that the agency has ever had.
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- They more than likely collected info on independents and democrats to run smear campaigns.
The good ole boys try to think of everything they can use.
"The inspector general went and did the audit that I should have put in place many years ago," Mueller said.
This administration has been LATE with everything that has happened and will be LATE in the future. - Reply to this comment
- It's not "You have nothing to fear unless you're doing something wrong".
It's "You have nothing to fear unless the government is doing something wrong."
SearingTruth
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- What the news agencies seem to be missing is that in March of this year Bush placed a signing statement on this provision of the Patriot Act. He wrote that "Constitutional Powers" give him the right to ignore the reporting requirements - the same ones that just landed the FBI in hot water.
Too bad the few people who've been warning about the potential for abuse (like Russ Feingold) were branded as "Traitors" and UnAmerican; maybe if more people had actually listened rather than marching lockstep with Bush come hell or high water (sorry New Orleans), these abuses would have been stopped years ago. - Reply to this comment
- Only following King George and Prince Richard's example. Must've taken "do as I say, do what I do," seriously.
The regular everyday citizen is lectured, "do as I say, NOT as I do." - Reply to this comment
- Mirror
My friends, sometimes the most difficult thing about fighting evil is realizing that it actually exists, and then unambiguously and forcefully calling it what it is.
History shows time and time again that one of evils greatest strengths is its ability to disguise itself as good, or at least a temporary necessity, until that last fatal moment when its revelation becomes clear, indisputable, and inescapable.
So today let us take a clear and unadulterated look into the mirror at ourselves.
Just six years ago we were one of the most respected and admired defenders of democracy and human rights in history. Respected not only by our friends, but even begrudgingly by most of our enemies. In fact, even the fantastic power of our military paled in comparison to the overwhelming might of our moral authority.
Today we are a nation that operates secret prisons occupied by anonymous inmates, illegally abducted and held indefinitely without charge or representation. We are guilty of torture. We are guilty of murder. We are guilty of preemptive war of conquest. We are guilty of the wholesale surveillance of our population, suppressing all hope of privacy and free dissent. And we are guilty of disgracing our nation through the abandonment of even our most basic precepts of morality.
If this is not evil, then nothing we have ever fought against is evil, and nothing we have ever fought for is good.
Excerpt from A Future of the Brave
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- lars008
There's difference between fear and being aware of a threat. I'm not doubting the seriousness of the threat of Fundamentalist Islam. I just believe that posting this stuff isn't help in the fight. By this stuff I am referring to:
"will you fight back after they set off a nuke in the usa this year???" - Reply to this comment
- Well, imagine that.
George Bush lied (AGAIN) when he claimed there were adequate safeguards that eliminated the need for courts to review or oversee his secret (ILLEGAL) spying programs.
George Bush must have taken lessons from Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.
George Bush is the worst president in US history. He & his supporters are a far greater menace to the US Constitution than OBL and all the "terrorists" combined. - Reply to this comment
- Well, imagine that.
George Bush lied (AGAIN) when he claimed there were adequate safeguards that eliminated the need for courts to review or oversee his secret (ILLEGAL) spying programs.
George Bush must have taken lessons from Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.
George Bush is the worst president in US history. He & his supporters are a far greater menace to the US Constitution than OBL and all the "terrorists" combined. - Reply to this comment
- Lars,
One things for sure, if this had happened under Clinton, the reich wing hypocrit flip-flopping convict pedophiles would be singing a different tune. Spin lars spin, it's fun reading your circus act. - Reply to this comment
- theUSA1st
Fear, Fear, and more Fear!
Posted by david1737 at 04:12 PM : Mar 09, 2007
Unfortunately too much fear and not enough rational thought on both sides of the isle.... - Reply to this comment
- It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775 Patrick Henry
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- david1737 get a clue skippy
The following text is a fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden first published in Al Quds Al Arabi, a London-based newspaper, in August, 1996. The fatwa is entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm
Osama bin Laden's Declaration of War
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden%27s_Declaration_of_War
May 26, 1998,
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! March 23, 1775 - Reply to this comment
- theUSA1st
Fear, Fear, and more Fear! - Reply to this comment
- fascist nazi islamic muslims,
Lars likes grouping people. That makes it much easier to hate everyone. Maybe you can vote a billion times in the next election and make it closer.
"will you fight back after they set off a nuke in the usa this year???" More "intelligence" Lars? - Reply to this comment
- Wonder who's head's will roll on this one?
Completely different topic now. At least Guiliani isn't a "Stay the Course" guy. Everytime he see's a different woman, he changes course and marries her. Cool approach. - Reply to this comment
- let's just all hope that the new leader of the U.N. is not corrupt and can pull the world together...like the U.N. was intended to do.
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- that is exactly what fascist nazi islam has been doing and is still doing all over the planet.... ie darfur, philippines, thailand, india, china, russia, africa etc etc etc they slaughter whole villages...
will you fight back after they set off a nuke in the usa this year???
Posted by lars008 at 03:44 PM : Mar 09, 2007
I am very much aware of what is going on around the world. I also know what is happening between the Russians and Chechans. There is still no excuse for mass murder of civilians anywhere. The U.N., specifically Koffi Annan, has not down enough to stop it...just another corrupt institution.
As for getting nuked, let's hope the gov't can protect us from that. Extremism has been going on for a while, unfortunately nobody has had the courage to fight it up until now...yes...just as the world waited to long to stop the Nazi's...I am
very much aware of history.
If you want to now if I would fight...the answer is yes...but I would not murder or rape. - Reply to this comment
