Comments on: Carter: "Apartheid" Is Apt For West Bank

Former President Defends Book Title, Says He Was Never Invited To Debate

[susanhelit]

Lieber - ever hear of scalping? Yep, Indians fought us ferociously - just as we fought them. Atrocities on both sides. You can't justify the Israelis on that basis - not with the Indians as your example. And this is by my Indian husband's statements. You invade someone's home, kick them out, marginalize, take over, steal all they've got - yeah, they're going to be mad, they're going to fight back, and they'll use whatever means they have.

[randalds]

Kudos to Carter for his great courage to speak out against the injustice in Israel. When other politicians just play politics, here is one honest man who is not afraid to tell it like it is!

Posted by logic07 at 07:58 PM : Mar 08, 2007

Being truthful was Carter's downfall. He inherited a mess over which he had little control. The mess was created in large part by Israel's occupation of Palestinian land and refusal to abide by UN resolutions.

Posted by tuckerndfw at 08:16 PM : Mar 08, 2007

Amen. Carter was and is the single most under-rated president of the modern era. In many ways he was just too good of a man and human being to do the job of president. He didn't have the needed slime part to get through. Face it, you just can't have a man who is that honest as president. Still he makes one hell of a statesmen though and in the grand scheme of things he's one of the best men our nation has produced in public service in the last century. Give 'em H*ell Jimmy!

[frdmuggs2007]

Might Makes Right. Long Live Israel! (you too Lieber1881) ;)

[lieber1881]

It wasn't their land to begin with, idiot.

And speaking of possessed land - care to go back to Europe? You're living on the ground of Native Americans, whom by the way, never resorted to babykilling, collaborating with Hitler, using donkeys and other innocent animals to carry explosives to kill, or judicially murdered those who opposed them, or whom Sharia regarded as unclean including Arafat's fellow Palestinian q-u-e-e-r-s.

Or openly siding with those who'd kill Americans and others - and beat and brutalize fellow Palestinians BECAUSE THEY ARE CHRISTIAN.

Prove it was the Palestinian's land, Hitlerite. You cannot, and you know it.

[logic07]

Of course F *tucker and IlLogical, nice little Nazis as they are, chose to not say a word about that. Nor about how Arafat rejected getting the land back in favor of murdering women and children.

Posted by Lieber1881 at 09:00 PM : Mar 08, 2007

I agree the Palestinians had a knack of choosing bad leaders. If they had had a Martin Luther King Jr, or a Gandhi, the situation might be very different now.

But again, their bad leadership is no excuse to rob them of their land, marginalize them and force them to live in ghettos in their own land.

[lieber1881]

vancouverboo,

you're a silly a&&.

My alleigance is to the United States of America, pal. Don't you ever, ever question my patriotism and love of this country - nor that of my family and friends.

Question F* oops Tucker's, and ILlogical's instead. I want America to win in Iraq, NOT because of Israel, even though they an ally more worth preserving than Carter's friends in Mecca. NOT because of Oil. Although the Dem's favorite Republican, the equally anti-Semitic Jim Baker wants the oil flowing even if means whitewashing Syria. I want America to win because we face an Enemy so evil that our future is at stake. You want beheadings, you want Ga-ys beaten to death (even by fellow Ga-ys like Arafat), you want women treated as second class, then by all means support Sharia and the Palestinians.

And continue to spew your anti-Semitism, your hate of the Western World, and blame dem Jooz. But don't forget to smile nicely when they slit your moronic, cowardly throats.

[vancouverboo]

They haven't survived 4,000 years by being primarily loyal to the countries they have lived in from time to time. Their loyalty is to Israel and they will use all their fortune, their powers of persuasion and their argument to support their homeland, their Israel. Keep that in mind when you read their posts here.

[lieber1881]

The true injustice is when the Grand Mufti recruited terror to murder women and children while the British troops refused to let the Jews defend themselves; then that erstwhile ally of England skipped to form a SS Division, ironically of Bosnian Muslims slaughtering Serbs, Gypsies and Jews.

So much for benevolence.

Then this Mufti, who had escaped the Allies, goes back and urges Arabs to leave their homes assuring them that when all those pesky Jooz were dead, they not only would regain their homes, but get the ones of the Jooz as well.

Didn't happen. But the Palestinians, as smart as they supposedly are, took the lies and the hate of the Mufti and his relative Arafat, and instead of turning on them, chose to murder Jews.

And so it went on - even when Jordan held Judea and Samaria. Of course F *tucker and IlLogical, nice little Nazis as they are, chose to not say a word about that. Nor about how Arafat rejected getting the land back in favor of murdering women and children.

Nazis and Traitors - the same ones who oppose our just war in Iraq against Islamofascism, will never get it right. They don't want to.

[susanhelit]

The Israeli's took the land, illegally evicted the Palestinians (the charter they were given the land under said they had to coexist as EQUALS) - and they're supposed to be overjoyed when Israel offers a little land back, with a ton of restrictions, no rights to land illegally siezed, no rights to live where they used to under the Israeli government, no rights as equal citizens, nor as a normal government. Yeah - right.

It's a bad state they're in, both have legitimate grievances against each other. But the Palestinians did not inflict the Holocaust on the Israelis - they are not responsible for that, yet they have to bear the burden of living on the land we decided to give to others. No country, no group of people would take it well when a bunch of invaders come in and set up their own country and government where you used to live.

[fizzal-2009]

When the children fight and yell at each other you take them to the store for icecream. open icecream shopes and shove it in their mouths!

[logic07]

I call thee the pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by mitdgreenb at 08:14 PM : Mar 08, 2007

You have a point there!

It'll be interesting to see how this replay of 18th century strategies work out in the 21st century.

The ideal strategy of course is to exterminate as many Israeli Arabs as possible and put the rest in reservations. That should solve all the problems.

[lieber1881]

If the shoe fits, wear it.

In your case, F oops Tucker and ILlogical, make that the hobnail boot.

[logic07]

I believe the holocaust took place, and that is my point precisely. How could a people who has suffered so much show so little compassion and understanding of human suffering?

It is undeniable that the holocaust took place. I personally had a good friend who bore the marks of Aucshwitz on her arm her whole life.

But you cannot use a past injustice to justify a present injustice.

[tuckerndfw]

Kudos to Carter for his great courage to speak out against the injustice in Israel. When other politicians just play politics, here is one honest man who is not afraid to tell it like it is!

Posted by logic07 at 07:58 PM : Mar 08, 2007

Being truthful was Carter's downfall. He inherited a mess over which he had little control. The mess was created in large part by Israel's occupation of Palestinian land and refusal to abide by UN resolutions.

The Arab oil embargo was the direct result of the US's refusal to allow the UN Security Council to take action against Israel for her gross and repeated violations. (a practice that continues today)

And, Carter was the first president to demand Israel honor her commitment to not interfere with Palestinians (the "two state solution").

In return, Zionists have been vilifying him for years, same as they do to any US politician that makes demands on Israel.

"Lieber" represents Zionists everywhere. As he so well demonstrates, they are hysterical, shrieking zombies who attack anyone that speaks the truth about Zionism, Israel or "Jews," especially fake Jews.

Interesting that Lieber praises one of the worst dictators of the 20th century. The Shah of Iran was deposed by the Iraninan people because he was a brutal dictator.

But, Zionists care nothing about anyone other than themselves and their sinister, subversive ideology.

[mitdgreenb]

Logic -- A question: Do you live in the United States?

Let's then look at this from a Native American point of view. Your words are apt:
"How did one country gain such special status that they are completely beyond reproach.

They can steal other people's land, occupy them, make them second class citizens in their own land, and do all these with impunity, and COMPLETELY BEYOND CRITICISM!"

I call thee the pot calling the kettle black.

[lieber1881]

You DON'T have a point, F, oops Tucker.

You are a Nazi, period if you can stick up for a people that have chosen war and terrorism rather than peace. I could give you and all of the other David Duke and MoveOn.Org traitors facts and real information, and it still wouldn't sink in.

Why?

Because YOU HATE DEM JOOZ - THAT'S WHY!

Admit it, for if you can endorse a hypocrite on human rights, a guy who wrung his hands when our people were seized and did NOTHING, a guy who ignored Soviet and Islamic Human Rights Abuses but knew how to yell at Begin whenever Israel took risks for PEACE - then you can accept being called a Nazi. Because that is what you are.

Care to try and prove a point, F OOPS Tucker, you and any of the other Blame Joozs, Blame America, Blame Christian traitors out there?
I doubt if you can - except to spew, vomit, lie and distort facts.

[logic07]

I guess I forgot that other bogeyman charge - Neo Nazi.

[lieber1881]

which is what you are too, illogical ideological dummy.

I suppose that you are going to deny that the Holocaust took place or that Iran was and is much better off without the Shah. Or that Jimmy Carter is a wonderful, free of bigotry, American.

Let's hear it for the Neo-Nazi ILlogical!
Clap Clap.

Of course let's convienently forget that he was a Klan supporter, that he accepts money from Saudi Arabia, that he allowed Soviet expansion when he was President. Or that he was and is a bonafide liar.

As for the woman who said that the Palys are on reservations, you had better read some history. Whatever misery the Palestinians current suffer is mostly of their own making. Israel offered peace, prosperity and even land - the Islamonazis, Arafat, Fatah, and Hamas chose babykilling instead.

If you love these folks so much ILlogical and F*cker, go and live with them - take Carter along too. He DID enough damage to America.

[logic07]

How did one country gain such special status that they are completely beyond reproach.

They can steal other people's land, occupy them, make them second class citizens in their own land, and do all these with impunity, and COMPLETELY BEYOND CRITICISM!

And if there was any criticism, back comes the same old bogeyman charges, "Klansman, traitor, anti semite."

No country is above the law of common decency, fairness and justice, not even Israel.

Kudos to Carter for his great courage to speak out against the injustice in Israel. When other politicians just play politics, here is one honest man who is not afraid to tell it like it is!

[tuckerndfw]

Leave this country, traitor - and take your friend the Jew-hater, Terror lover and coward Carter with you.

Posted by Lieber1881 at 07:45 PM : Mar 08, 2007

Thanks for proving my point.