Comments on: Groups Say Scientists Pressured On Warming

Report: Dozens Of Government Scientists Say They Were Told To Play Down Threat

[luckygirl042]

Truth_hurts2:
It's great that you were able to sell your car, I wish I could get rid of mine, but I live in a rural area. Yes I do try to conserve every chance I get-I have compost heaps, I recycle, I try to use pump bottles rather than aerosol etc... I would not put forth an idea like that unless I myself were doing what I could. I understand that in our society today it would be difficult to expect people to entertain themselves at home for one day, or businesses to lose a day's profit. And yes, some things have to run 24/7. But IMHO we are way over the top. And it is only my opinion.

[jdweymouth]

I'm living in a foreign country too: China, and from it i learned that despite its problems: the United States isn't so bad

Nice arguing with you, but in an argument, sorry I couldn't convince you, but nobody is ever turned in an argument.

Have a good day.

[truth_hurts2]

sorry for the typos but I am in a hurry.

[truth_hurts2]

I will leave with this thought from MLK-"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." Sadly, during these times of challenge and controversy, we as a nation are being guided by fear, and not by the foundations and principals are country was founded upon.

Enough of a lesson for you today my friend. I am living overseas and must go now and continue to spread the postive foundations and principals our nation was founded upon to some of the young democracies of Eastern Europe.

Sometimes the truth does hurt

[truth_hurts2]

You say sufficient evidence to hold them in Guantanimo? More have been let go then have seen a trial, and in fact, none have received trials.

[truth_hurts2]

jdweymouth-you can believe whatever you want, but he truth lies in the facts, not the spin

[truth_hurts2]

to jdweymouth

You profess to know the facts. I suggest you reearch the term Prisoner of War and re-think your use of such a term to refer to those on Guantanimo Island. You want a clean argument but you fog up the facts.

I do remember the war in Lebanon-was it the right thing to do? How many innocent civilians died, becuase two soldiers were held captive by a radical group? How many mor terrorists have been created because of that war? And now the US has investigated what is appearing by allaccounts to be an illegal use of cluster bombs by the Israelis.

Even the Israelis did not support that war.

[jdweymouth]

truth_hurts2: In mention of your name I was being humorous, however I maintain the things you say remind me of a conspiracy theorist. I don't care about your reasons: trusting other countries over your own is wrong, and, anyway, those countries aren't any better: I speak from experience.

In regard to the U.N., not only were we THE major founding member, and not only do we throw money at the, but we also supply the bronze and power to them. Do you remember the recent Lebanon War? The U.N. was powerless because we supported Israel. Remember Ethiopia and Somalia? They were powerless than too because we supported Ethiopia. Finally, if we withdrew total support from the U.N., they would be as big a joke as the League of Nations was. Those are some reasons why they should pay us more respect.

Those people sitting on an island (Cuba) are prisoners of war, and all of them have sufficient evidence held against them to keep them there legally. However, I believe those that are terrorists should be shot because they are not uniformed regulars. They are a disgrace to true, civilized soldiers.

Finally, on the subject of global warming: I believe it exists but not in the accepted definition of the term, I believe it is exaggerated, and I don't believe in man's involved in it.

[dallison7]

'The Democratic chairman of the House panel examining the government's response to climate change said Tuesday there is evidence that senior Bush administration officials sought repeatedly "to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming."

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[truth_hurts2]

It is good to stay home, and that means you never use your car on Sundays, right? How about family and friends? Your ideas are good to get people to cut back, but it starts with each of us. I sold my car 2 years ago, and though I would not exepct all to do that, maybe you might also carpool or take public transportation during the week, at least a couple of days, assuming it is possible for you.

[luckygirl042]

I actually do try to stay home on Sundays. It's a good day to unwind, and cool down from the week, and get ready for Monday. It wouldn't hurt people to try it sometime.

[dallison7]

When I was a child, there were what was called the "blue laws".

Yeah I remember that. But where I grew up they just partitioned off the section of the supermarket where the cleaning supplies were. Our lawmakers sure come up with some weird ideas.

[truth_hurts2]

to lucky girl

So have you stopped driving on Sundays? And your family and friends?

[truth_hurts2]

FURTHER

There are many reasons to question government. and I will say this-The UN came from the League of Nations, first theorized by Kant. From that, Roosevelt and Churchill came up with the idea and after WWII, the 26 Allies formed a "unity of nations. Officially, it began in 1945 with 51 countries. It is not meant to be the bullypulpit of the United States nor any one member (though the US does have a permanent seat on the security council, as it should). To say though that the UN should pay "more respect" to the views of the US over other member states because the US was one of the orignal founders, and funds a large chunk of the budget (though we still owe quite a bit in unfunded peacekeeping dues)disregards the purpose and reason for the UN.

[truth_hurts2]

1. Do not make much of my name-it was something I used when I first logged on to this site.

2. Yes, I do trust 169 other countries on this issue more than my own government.

3. In this day and age, we must question our government-I hate to bring up the Iraq war but every reason for going into Iraq was factually wrong.

4. For 5 years plus, 400-500 "combantants" sit on an island in Cuba, without a trial, and in contravention of Geneva Conventions. How dangerous are these men? Explain why after years many are simply released. It is ahuman rights tragedy.

5. The executive branch chose for years to conduct what many have called illegal wiretaps. And in the face of a fight over the issue now, what happened-The Justice department reversed course and chose to use the FISA court.

[luckygirl042]

When I was a child, there were what was called the "blue laws". (Yes, I'm a "Boomer")
I remember that this meant everything shut down on Sunday. Wow, just imagine the reduction in pollution if most everyone stayed home on one day a week and did not drive their cars. Just imagine the savings in gas and reduction of exhaust emissions. Imagine the savings in all types of energy if the malls and businesses were closed just for one day. You know, we survived very well, thank you. We got what we needed on Saturday, and Sunday was the "day of rest" whether you were religious or not. The gas savings alone would help in reducing our dependence on foreign oil, and the reduction of pollutants would be of great benefit whether or not the global warming situation is real or not.
Surely we can survive one day without rampant consumerism, and maybe help the environment and the oil issue in the process.
(OK, now go ahead and bash me for the horrible blow the economy this would cause.)

[jdweymouth]

truth_hurts2:

I am not a conspiracy theorist, and I could care less about whether or not the administration is clear about global warming: if it is as dangerous as some people claim, no need to create mass panic, and if it isn't: do I need to spell it out? I believe that the U.N. is trying to subvert the government based on research, and years of watching the U.N./U.S. relationship. There is something fishy about it, and the U.N. should be more respectful because without us: there wouldn%u2019t be a U.N. Just do some research, and I don't mean on the internet solely. I'm not the type to say the things some say (i.e. fascistusa), and I believe, as you, that we shouldn't retreat to conspiracies every time something happens that we don't like. However, I spoke to soon; I wouldn't necessarily call my theory a conspiracy, I%u2019d call it Byzantine politics.

I find it amazing that you would trust a foreign organization more than your own government, especially because, without your government there wouldn't be a foreign organization. You condemn me for being a conspiracy theorist, but then you go and say the same thing about the administration. Plus, I don't think you need me to tell you your user-name. It is my perception, from your user-name and remarks, that you're a genuine conspiracy theorist.

P.S. Let's keep this a clean argument.

[karlimhof]

Any reflective person, especially those with children, may agree (i hope) that to ensure our decent survival and that of future generations, we have a responsibility to act now concerning;

1- nuclear weapons proliferation
2- environmental questions

And not in that order. As we have seen, a major american city was destroyed by increasingly changing and violent weather patterns. And not only in the Gulf of Mexico.

Besides weather Environment means also solving the problems presented by 7 billion people in 2020 asking more from the Earth than she can give.

In closing the Earth's natural resources (not only oil) are being pressed by more and more countries (India,China) which will lead to conflict if not addressed now.

[truth_hurts2]

Just so I am clear-the set-up these days is not by the UN, or the 169 countries who ratified the Kyoto protocol, or the unbiased scientists who submitted their intial reports to this administration. The set-up you should be concerned about is by this admninistration, who has been manipulating facts from global warming the Iraq war-they choose to call it politics.

[truth_hurts2]

Ignoring what many in the rest of the world have said about global warming is not a set-up. No need to always profess conspiracy theories when the facts may not support yur beliefs. The US has spent years ignoring what other developed countries have said too about global warming, not just the UN (but for the record, as of 2006, 169 countries RATIFIED the Kyoto protocol). And, of course, now the present administration is changing course too. What you think is a set up is nothing more than "politics" which these days seems to be synonymous with "factual manipulation."