Comments on: Iraq Plan Seeks Up To 20,000 More Troops

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[ghareeb2-2009]

TO LIBERMAN 18
I'm an Egyptian cardiologist and I'm proud of being muslim.In Islam we learn how to love others and accept them,we condemn those crimes committed by moh atta and other devils of 11/9,the true Islam is something else,and I think you need to read about it and also the holy quran,what happened is that some idiots decided to attack you under a fake cover of Islam,this isn't our problem as the vast majority of muslims bec we are against killing innocent people whatevere the cause.
my dear there wasn't any need to threaten us by your ( mushroom over mecca )and let this to kids,because Islam is a thaught in hearts and it's somthing more than Mecca,so try to be mature enough to discuss ,but first try to read much about Islam,try to open your eyes facing the news and vidios of the killed children and women in Palastine,Lebanon,and in Iraq.Tousands of innocent people are having been killed everywhere by american weapons and jewish..do you think(after all these crimes)you can find someone loving america...no sir , the families of thousands of martyrs are asking for revenge.Just open your mind and your eyes and feel other people,...donk think like the idiot Bush...he's lying to you ,don't be like him,at least hear the screams of the burning american soldiers all over the Iraq1 furnace opened by the idiot Bush

[exusmcsgt]

Tank611-

Of course the Iraqi government wants us to stay. They have not done their part in the boondoggle and want us to continuing doing it for them ad infinitum.

There is no condolence in a regret letter to a dead warrior's family stating "your son is dead because the Iraqi government prefers to sacrifice American troops instead of their own".

[tank611]

QUOTE:

'it is time for us to get the hell out of vietraq'

The freely elected government of Iraq has asked us to stay:

Oct 23,2006

LONDON %u2014 Coalition troops must stay in Iraq and resist the temptation to "cut and run" in the face of hostile public opinion, an Iraqi government official said after meeting British leaders Monday.

Iraqi forces will increasingly take over responsibility for the country's stability from coalition troops, said Deputy Prime Minister Barham Saleh, an influential Kurd with long ties to the U.S. and Britain.

He urged officials to ignore an increasingly pessimistic tone of the debate over Iraq's future.

"I do believe there is no option for the international community to cut and run," Saleh said after talks with Prime Minister Tony Blair. "We need to understand that there is a need of utmost urgency to deal with many of the problems of Iraq, but we must not give in to panic."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4280878.html

[swwils]

I Love this country,but when will the madness end.We have so many problems here at home that need attention.Instead,we are sending more of our people into the living hell,for what???

[bluestardad]

Bush went shopping for more yes men that would support his plan at a cost of the lives of their troops.
Did you see that Scum Swine Lieberman yesterday on the news? Supporting more troops and told the President to never mind what the people want just be president and do it. Thanks Connecticut! What possible Strategic interest does American Troops have in an Iraqi Civil War?

[heetseeker]

"One Steps Back"

A commentator once noted: "we must continue to study history and learn its lesson, for the day day we don't, we will surely repeat its mistakes."

I am reminded of that today, as I consider the conduct of our President. One can speculate as to why he has taken the decisions he has. Some say to defend the Bush family legacy, some say he genuinely seeks to spread democracy, others say he genuinely fears the spread of international terrorism, some say he owes it to those who have fallen, some say he truly believes that victory is within his grasp. Who knows where the truth lies!

My substantive point is that the President persists in error. This is quaint, entertaining even endearing coming from Mr McGoo. But not from the President of the United States. History is littered with examples of the potential consequences of those who despite best advice and access to wise counsel, choose to persist in their error. Those who brought utter destruction upon themselves and their nations. You know them and so do I.

The President's error is not without cost. However, bare in mind that this is not Bush's war. It is being fought with the blood of our fathers, brothers, sons, daughters, cousins, and friends. It is alo being fought with our tax dollars.

But hold on, it is about to get even more costly.

[heetseeker]

SamTheTVCat

Thanks for you comment. I think your reading of the situation is broadly correct. However, by the mere fact that the Sunni's have partaken in the Democratic process,surely makes the outcome legitimate? The fact that the Sunni's may not like the outcomes does not affect its legitimacy. Indeed, nor were the 2005 election results, boycotted by the Sunni's, any less legitimate because the Sunni's chose to disenfranchise themselves.

The real politick of Iraq is of course somewhat different. You correctly suggest that the democratic balancing act and horse-trading is delicate. So much so that any one of the sides (Sunni, Shiites and Kurds) will cry foul if they don't get what they want. Or indeed if they feel that one side is receiving more favourable treatmemt than the other.

The issue is that the political dynamic in Iraq has changed. Iraq has embraced the process of democracy, however to fulfill its promise, Iraqi's themselves must take responsibility, make compromises and unite for the future of their nation.

The idea that we will fight this war to the last American is bonkers.

[bobby716-2009]

The People have spoken, it is time for us to get the hell out of vietraq, it is a shame that we were hoodwinked and bamboozled into this nightmare,If Iraq is a democracy so is China,Russia and Cuba.

[samthetvcat]

PS Sorry, my post below was in response to heetseeker's . . .

[samthetvcat]

You know, everythink I know about Iraq I've pretty much learned from CBS and Wikepedia, so no guarantees that I've got like an accurate read on the situation over there, but Wikepedia said the election went heavily along party lines . . . like as high as 97% of Sunnis voting one way and Shiites voting the other way. It sounds like MAYBE the Sunnis were willing to give the process time at first but after the Shiites won the election which put them in power and then bombed that Sunni mosque and then maybe with the hanging of Saddam with all the taunting and stuff the hope and trust the US was able to establish at the outset has been pretty much destroyed by the Shiites (?)

Because wasn't the US was talking about ratifying the constitution to give Sunnis more power and that got the Shiites and Kurds really angry? I'm not sure whether the infighting got really bad just before then or right after that, but it just doesn't sound like the Sunnis consider the 'democracy' legitimate and if the US tries to appease them the Sunnis and Kurds are going to question the legitimacy . . . I just don't see how you can have a democracy that half the country doesn't think is legitimate . . .

[fascistusa]

BUSH IS A FASCIST DICTATOR.

OUR "NEWS' IS PURE PROPOGANDA.

BOTH PARTIES ARE RUN BY CORPORATIONS THAT ONLY SERVE THE RICH.

WAKE THE HELL UP.

IMPEACH THE ***.

[fascistusa]

lieberman18:

How nice to see the Reigning Israeli Fascist still writing ***. How's the planned invasion of Iran going? How IS Israel going to get the US to do their dirty work?

[castanea-2009]

Lies, doublespeak, all this from an idiot who was NEVER really elected. The founding fathers would never let a person like him IN government !!!

[heetseeker]

LazyMedia

I agree with most of your comments. However, I disagree that that the mission in Iraq relies in any way on the lack of "history" of democracy in Iraq. Iraqi's turned out in massive numbers to exercise their democratic rights last year and the year before. Even if they did not fully understanding the democractic process, they appreciated that they were exercising liberty - something they did not enjoy under Saddam.

Rather, there are other key determinants in Iraq that will seal that nations fate. Again, we need to get real to the fact that the sustainability of Iraq can only be secured by the Iraqi's themselves. In addition to voting for it, and dying for it, they have to want to unite for it.

Similarly, we must accept that any achievement/ success/ victory in Iraq will be moderated by the Iranians and the Syrians. Like it or not that is the fact. Both of those nations have been extremely effective in ensuring that Iraq does not become so ungovernable as to create a wider regional conflict, but ungovernable enough to remain a failed state.

[heetseeker]

lieberman18

Stop allowing yourself to be baited. Use your judgement. There are some posts that simply do not merit a response.

[lieberman18]

specimanfred,

methinks that the only pigs on board tonight are you and Ghareeb, the compatriot of his fellow pigeater, Al Zawhari.

[lieberman18]

Ahhh, we've got an Egyptian Islamonazi lover amongst us. Maybe he'll be kind enough to offer his throat. After all, he should make amends for Mohammed Atta, the piece of sh*t who murdered women and babies on that flight - and then murdered thousands of innocent people because like ghareeb, or whatever the roaches' name is - Atta was a gutless coward.

Better yet, little Egyptian who blames the Jews -why not take Keith Ellison? Put the Plantation Slave in chains? After all, he swore on a Koran owned by a slaveholder who actually declared war on Muslims - Jefferson. Ellison would be very happy in the Sudan - where you and your ilk would enslave the boy. Unless dreck like you killed him.

Since you expressed your hate of Americans and Jews - and probably Christians too, I'm glad I can express mine of you.

Nothing could be finer than a Mushroom Cloud over Fallujah, Mecca and Medinaer
In the Morning.

Gen. Jack Keane, US Army (Ret.), one of the "architects" of Bush's supposed new plan, said: "We have never had a strategy to defeat the insurgency. And if we *had* a strategy to defeat the insurgency, then the number one military objective would have been 'protect and support the population'."

What I would dearly like to hear some reporter pose to Bush next week in the Q&A after his new "strategy" press conference is this:

"Gen. Keane described the #1 objective in defeating the Iraqi insurgency as protecting the population, but it is a military maxim that you cannot win a war purely defensively. Do we now *have* a strategy? If so, what are the remaining objectives that are supposed to execute this strategy, and how will the U.S. ensure that they are accomplished?"

The problem is that, no matter how much training we give the Iraqi military and police, the Iraqi *people* have no real history of democracy, nor any institutional understanding of the nature of open government and peaceful compromise. Unlike the U.S., which was built by a population of freedom-loving people with centuries of experience of *nominally* representative government, Iraqis are 3 distinct groups of people who hate each other and have found relative peace only in the brutal suppression of mass hostilities by generations of caliphs, dictators, occupiers, and autocrats. Handing control of the timetable to them is a recipe for never-ending war. Bush is simply too stupid to accept this.

[heetseeker]

"What If?"

Next week the President will announce that the centrepiece of his "new way forward" in Iraq will be a troop surge. We know this decision is against the recorded best advice of Generals, politicians of both parties and even the President's own eminent persons group. But nevermind.

What you will not see are milestones for the Iraqi's to reach, for continued US support. However, contrary to public perception, there will be a contingency plan. That "plan" will involve sending more and more troops. More will be sent, more will fight and more will die. These are not my views, they are the views of those in Iraq, who have strategic oversight for the war.

I previously posted that the true strategy of the President is to "hang on and hand-over." This way he will be able to retreat back to Crawford in 2009 and claim that he kept his word and "did not retreat from Iraq." Iraq will then become someone elses quagmire.

Our President is removed from the growing catastrophe unfolding before him. We do not call the shots in Iraq. We cannot impose a peace that the Iraqi's do not want or a solution that they do not have ownership of. Furthermore, how will the "new way forward" deal with the persistent interference of Iran and Syria? Beyond admonishing them to "behave themselves".... it won't.

If you fail to plan properly, you plan to fail completely.

[ghareeb2-2009]

I'm Egyptian, sorry americans if you see the real news you can admit that you lost the war in Iraq,and I think that the Iraqi fighters are waiting for more american troops to kill them.Widly speaking I think the whole story of America is starting to finish from now on,a nation that can be defeated this way is not to survive for long,china ,n-korea,Iran are the stars of the new era,say good bye to the new troops,they will give their lives for nothing and no revenge has been taken uptill now for the poor victims of 11/9.
DO YOU KNOW THE REASON .WHO PUSHED YOU IN THIS WRONG DIRECTION : JEWS
they will lead you to your end