Comments on: Bush: Mail Subject To Warrantless Searches

Presidential Signing Statement Claims Feds Can Open Mail In Certain Circumstances

[gossimer]

KUDOS to r_bayless!!!

[randalds]

Posted by tepidaccount at 09:49 PM : Jan 05, 2007


Bravo! Well stated!

[lukebize]

bellaL wrote:

"'What war? When did Congress declare war?'
Posted by tepidaccount at 03:24 PM : Jan 05, 2007

"That doesn't have anything to do with whether we are still at risk of another terrorist attack which of course we are."

That "risk" has _always_ existed. Terrorism is a matter for intelligence and police agencies. It is a matter that armies are unequipped to deal with. Using armies for purposes which they are not suited is a mistake. Most leaders learn this quickly, from their own military leaders. Bush is an exception; he *fired* the military leaders who tried to warn him.

Once we conquered the Taliban in Afghanistan (a legitimate and just military action), there was no state left to fight. We invaded Iraq without any reason. By doing so, we destroyed the _only_ remaining secular Arab government in the region. Every other Arab state in the Persian Gulf is a theocracy. Don't believe me? Go look up the CIA sheet on Iraq and Saddam Hussein. It is publicly available online. Inform yourself.

Bush knew this. So did Cheney and Rove and Libby and ALL of them. They all were warned that removing Hussein could easily result in a pan-Arab sectarian state that would present problems that make our current situation look pretty tame.

And you think this is a "good" war. Heh.

It might be good for those who are waiting for Armageddon, but it isn't very good for those who have some sense of rationality.

[lukebize]

bellaL wrote:


"'What war? When did Congress declare war?'
Posted by tepidaccount at 03:24 PM : Jan 05, 2007

That doesn't have anything to do with whether we are still at risk of another terrorist attack which of course we are."

So what? It has *everything* to do with the Presidential assumption of extraordinary wartime powers. Bush has invoked those powers many times. Yet we are NOT at war.

WAR! is a constant refrain among Bush supporters. War this, war that. War on terror, war on drugs, war on kiddie porn, war on Christmas.

It is THE defining term for neo-conservatives. Their entire existence revolves around war, much like the next cigarette for a lifetime smoker. They are hooked on it. They _need_ it. Without war, they cannot hide the fact that they are just another bunch of garden-variety, power-grasping psychos, not unlike your typical religious fundamentalist.

You say you think this war was essential. Well, how about the way we are fighting it? Without armor, for instance. Do you think it was essential to send our troops in naked?

How about the betrayal of a CIA agent whose job was to monitor the kinds of weapons possessed by terrorist groups? You think THAT was essential, too? How about the way the country was persuaded to war: by lies and outrageous manipulation of good intelligence. Intelligence which, BTW, loyal American and foreign agents risked their lives to acquire.

You like that? You think there is ANYTHING patriotic about all that?

They can snoop in my mail all they want, does not matter to me, unless it is entry into the Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes, then I might get mad, Hell I could be next milionaire according the TV commercial!!

[talsian]

He's probably reading the mail of his daughters. Why else would he have to skip the warrants? What about his political enemies? Well, I guess maybe them too.

[cantshutup]

The only time in my life I've ever even considered looking in someone else's mail was because of a bad grade I didn't want my parents to see...There's no good reason for snooping in someone else's mail! Are you listening mr bush?

[bellal-2009]

"In wartime "security trumps liberty"."

What war? When did Congress declare war?
Posted by tepidaccount at 03:24 PM : Jan 05, 2007

That doesn't have anything to do with whether we are still at risk of another terrorist attack which of course we are.

[lukebize]

perception5 wrote:

"In wartime "security trumps liberty"."

What war? When did Congress declare war? What are the articles of this war? Why didn't anyone tell the media about it? Who is the enemy?

Is it a secret war? A war against phantoms and ghosts?

Or is it just slogan? A ruse to dispense public tax money to private companies? Great profit at the price of the lives of a few American troops?

At any rate, Congress is supposed to tell us when we are in a war. So far, AFAIK, they have not.

[randalds]

To RandalDS -- here in US March 17th is St. Pat's Day - NYC, San Fran, Chicago, DC, Boston are major cities that will NOT be able to allow two large groups to gather - and police presence here in NY will be high as it is due to St. Pat's day - don't these organizers take these things into consideration and realize the futility of trying to have two large events in cities on the same day??
Posted by nyckate at 03:54 PM : Jan 04, 2007

Maybe they hope the drunk Irish will join us? They could have picked a better date, but it's the Saturday closest to the anniversary of the start of Bush's folly.