Comments on: Ford: Reasons For Iraq War 'A Big Mistake'

Former President Criticized Bush In Now-Released Interview From 2004

[dwmcgill]

diverinnl,

Well said

[diverinnl]

dwmcgill, this stuff is typical across the board. All Christians are child molesters, closet homosexuals, the Bible says this, the Bible says that...
I just enjoy calling them on it when I can.

[gladys_over]

OK, I'm outa here.

Benny Hinn is about to bring some dead people back to life, and I wouldn't miss that for the world.

[diverinnl]

Gladys_Over, I have read Leviticus. I read it several times at Furman University. And yes, it does have several laws with a death sentence, including death for labor on the Sabbath.

When you say "In fact, Jesus Christ actually endorsed the commandment that any son who curses his father should be executed.", I do hope you meant "any son who curses his father will most surely die". Obviously you understand the difference between a spiritual death and physical death. I mean since you seem to fully comprehend the parable.

[dwmcgill]

Gladys_Over,

I haven't read the entire thread to get a feel for what you are really trying to say. I can only hope that you aren't comparing today's Ismlamic behavior with Jews and/or Christian beliefs.

[gladys_over]

diverinnl, I was just trying to answer your question, which was, where does the Bible command the killing of homosexuals ?

You didn't ask me to quote the entire Bible.

That gay-killer passage was NOT taken out of context. If you think it was, read all of Leviticus -- it's full of things like that.

AND THAT BOOK IS PART OF THE BIBLE !! In fact, Jesus Christ actually endorsed the commandment that any son who curses his father should be executed. (Dr. Phil would be shocked.)

But today we have feel-good Church-ianity where all those things are sugarcoated and/or ignored.

[gladys_over]

Reconcile Sunni and Shia ?

Bush couldn't reconcile Sonny and Cher.

[diverinnl]

The ultimate defense of the indefensible:

"is that it is easy to Google for Biblical passages and when used out of context..."

IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT !!!!!

You could defend Mein Kampf that way.
Posted by Gladys_Over at 06:51 PM : Dec 28, 2006

Yes Gladys_Over, you're absolutely right. I would be willing to bet a weeks wages that I could pull selected quotes from Mein Kampf that you would wholeheartedly endorse, just as you "selected" text out of the Bible you despise. Just because one obscure Hebrew law in the Old Testament calls for the killing of homosexuals does not mean that Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike all wrap themselves around it.

[gladys_over]

This is what it sounds like:

"I pledge a lesion, to the flag of the United Stakes of America
And to the republic, for Richard Stanz
One nation, undergone, in the visible
with little tea, and just ice, for all"

[chadi7]

dwmcgill & diverinnl

I've got to go but I just wanted to thank you for the rational debate on a sensitive subject. There are some in here that just can't be talked to, but fortunately there are people like you who can talk without resorting to calling other people names. I would love to debate more but I've got to go home and my internet is out. Ta ta

[dwmcgill]

It should be obvious that some of what Gerald Ford said is true, such as, overemphasizing WMD is a valid point and over-reaching on freedom in a region not historically known for any form of democracy.
Having said that, it is easy for me to see how - in the immediate past of 9/11 - a government could not stand by and let a rogue state toy with the United Nations edicts.
Also, we shouldn't ignore the fact that pacifying Iraq could lead to separating Sunni and Shia branches of Islam and that would be in our national security interests.

[gladys_over]

I've read the entire Bible, OT and NT by the way, and that gay-killer passage was NOT taken out of context.

The Bible really does endorse that.

[gladys_over]

The ultimate defense of the indefensible:

"is that it is easy to Google for Biblical passages and when used out of context..."

IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT !!!!!

You could defend Mein Kampf that way.

OK, from now on I'll quote the entire Bible. That'll make all the religious fanatics happy.

[gladys_over]

libelman18: "...Gladys the hag..."

I'm gonna tell you one more time, libel man....

Gladys_Over is a "mondegreen"

That's a humorous or satiric mishearing of another phrase.

"All of the other reindeer" -- "Olive, the Other Reindeer" (Movie title)

"Glad it's over" --- Gladys_Over

[diverinnl]

Chad, that is a rational well thought out argument and on the whole,I agree with you. Where I do take note, and not with you specifically but with many other posters, is that it is easy to Google for Biblical passages and when used out of context or without knowledge of the scope or purpose in which they were written, can mean almost anything. I do not want to start a huge philosophical or theological debate on the truism of the Bible but rather point out that one should have at least some background knowledge on the data they use to prove their points.

[dwmcgill]

Chardi7,

The OT was the law until (as Christians believe) JC was crucified and became mercy between man and G*d. As such, the law would mean death for any infraction of sin (eventually). The NT doesn't espouse the same behavior since man doesn't live exclusively under the law anymore - if we choose.

[gladys_over]

Follow the bouncing asterisks.

That's "I was asked where the Bible says to kill g-a-y-s." (Not "to kill ***")

Funny censorship software this website has.

[gladys_over]

I was asked where the Bible says to kill ***. I never said modern, feel-good, liberal Christianity endorses it.

I'm not promoting Sharia Law. I'm just saying it comes ultimately from Moses and his teachings.

Anyway, what does all this have to do with Gerald Ford ?

[chadi7]

But the Bible,as claimed by Christians, is the inerrant word of God. Not some of it but all of it. Don't get me wrong, I see no problem with a Christian who sees parts of the Bible as laws of men, and subsequently Christians are no longer bound by it. I would completely agree with that. I can see how the use of the OT as an historical document would be beneficial to modern day Christians, so that they can understand where they came from. The problem I see is that by claiming the OT as part of the Bible you must accept all of it (that is if you claim the Bible to be inerrant and the word of God). Depending on your view of how the Bible was written you could debate what you are saying and be correct. What I mean by view is how God ordained the Bible.

[lieberman18]

Jeffk, your ignorance is hilarious. As is your new partner - unless you're gay - Gladys. Now she's promoting Sharia. Yep, and you don't hate religion except its bs but I studied buddhism.

Well, chummy, Buddhism is a peaceful religion - religion, fella - and you're so full of hate. Methinks you and partner Gladys the hag need to do something with your lives rather than promote Bush-hate, hate of Republicans, hate of Americans, hate of Jews and hate of Christians.

Go join the circus. Barnum and Bailey are in dire need of clowns these days. You and Gladie girl fit the bill nicely.