Comments on: Bush Seeks Advice On Iraq

President Meets With State Department Officials, Then With Historians And Generals

[fascistusa]

The Soldiers and Iraqis DID NOT die in vain.

Halliburton and Co. made LOTS of money.

Lord Bush, you might want to get us out of Iraq.

From what I hear, the Mega-Rich, who really run the USA Inc., are turning on you.

Way most see it... another Civil War in America is bad for business.

[ceekuei]

It is surprising that many out there just do not get it! The invasion of Iraq has nothing, I say again, nothing to do with bringing democracy to the Middle East. It has nothing to do with freedom, with fighting the extremists, and with everything in between. It is for a wider agenda. One being to have a permanent military base in Iraq in order to control and influence events in the region with respect to oil and energy. Remember, oil is a strategic commodity and Iraq is sitting on the second largest oil reserves in the world! There are many countries out there that urgently need a good dose of freedom and democracy. Why not them, why Iraq? As for soldiers dying for a "noble cause," I beg to differ. They are not fighting for freedom,liberty, and blah blah blah. They are deceived into believing the nobility of their presence, but in fact are there to protect oil and energy interests and to forge an extension of US interest for the collateral benefit of Israel. Iraq is now a breeding ground and a cess pool for every conceivable denominations of terrorists the world over. The idiot in the White House is just diverting attention away from his failed policy and keeps the rhetoric on that it is about freedom and liberty. He does not understand the meaning of these two terms even if they were shafted up his ***. It is such a tragedy that so many have died and many more will die without knowing what the hell are they dying for and for whom!

[bushrocks1]

Would I send my son to this war? You might ask would I send him to World War II? Or Vietnam? Maybe you would distinguish those conflicts and whether you would send your son to fight in them. But that question is misdirected in a very important way: I can't command my son to go to war. He has to make that choice. So the better question would be: would I volunteer to fight in Iraq, WW II, Vietnam? Would I volunteer to fight in any war? Respond if drafted? I don%u2019t know. I'm not equivocating, only addressing that it is a hypothetical. To a hypothetical, I can answer, sure I'd fight. But I have nightmares of battle (from my past life as a Jacobite). So how do I feel toward those who do volunteer? Impressed and maturely knowing that many things go into their decision. But I do strongly believe that a country that can't find those men is doomed. The fact that we can find them is one reason why I say there is no failure in Iraq. Objectively, I also believe it for other reasons. An attempt to establish democracy in the Middle East is a bold, brilliant, noble effort, facing a high chance of failure. That's why I greatly respect and admire those who have made the attempt--the Bush administration. They have been resolute, something I have not seen in my lifetime. They may not succeed, for reasons outside their control or fault: traitors on the home front. Now those traitors have occupied the high ground. Yet... we're still in Iraq; the President hasn%u2019t been impeached. Why?...I'm waiting.

[patriotic9]

bellaL
Our soldiers died to overthrow the SECUALR GOVT of SADDAM HUSSAIN who was good for only one group of Iraqi people,i.e;the IRAQI CATHOLICS called CALDIANS since he didn't have any fear of power from them as he knew that in a MUSLIM COUNTRY nobody would like to see a CATHOILC PRESIDENT.After Saddam is removed from power by our tax payed money and our great soldiers' lives,on the name of DEMOCRACY,whoever will become the PRIME MINISTER of IRAQ,will be a GOVERNOR appointed by those IRANIAN AYATOALLAHs who call us the greatest SATAN.I am sorry to say,our govt personnels and even the MIDDLE EAST EXPERSTS in our country won't be able to understand the TUQIYYAH BASED policies of IRAQI RADICALS even if we saty there for thousand more years.Now you can decide whether our soldier's died in vain or not.I personally don't blame our soldiers as they did and are still doing a great job to protect and defend our country but I am sick and tired of our myopic leaderships whose NON-SENSE FAITH BASED policies without common sense and awareness of the enemies mode of operation has hurt our country in a way which may get catostrophic.

[randalds]

Well we could sit here all day saying no and yes back and forth, but why bother. I'm not going to change my mind and you're wrong. ;-)

[bellal-2009]

Interesting Patriotic9.


They have died in vain.
Posted by RandalDS at 01:49 PM : Dec 11, 2006

No they haven't.

[patriotic9]

bellaL
You need to understand the people in IRAQ.Majority of both SHIAs and SUNNIs are extremist in that country.IRAQI SHIAs are more EXTREMIST and RADICALs then the IRANIAN SHIAs as the two holiest places of SHIA ISLAM namely NAJAF and KARBALA are in IRAQ.ALmost the same thing about the RADICAL SUNNIs their.Iraq is the birth place of SUNNI IMAMs like AHMAD BIN HANBAL(The real founder of the strict WAHHABI SECT of SUNNI ISLAM)and ABU HANIFAH.Saddam Hussain was the only guy who had and who could control those extremist RADICALS in that country and had crushed ISLAMIC RADICALISM with IRON FIST.A SECULAR DICTATOR IS BETTER THEN A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED RELIGIOUS RADICAL.
Whenever people of Iraq will be given right to vote,they will definately elect people on the basis of RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION alone.

[randalds]

There is nothing worthy about this war. it is a filthy little war of conquest. it is an armed robbery, a mugging, of another nation and the neocons used our troops the same way a thief uses his gun. They have died in vain.

[bellal-2009]

Randal, Randal, Randal. Even if we loose they did not die in vain. This is a worthy and valid battle.

[randalds]

Nice definition. Of course there's not a snowballs chance in h*ll of it happening. Our troops and the Iraqi civilians have all died in vain. They died for nothing at all.

[patriotic9]

Another sincere advice for BUSH is to fully understand the culture and religion of people in the MIDDLE EAST before making any deal
In Iraq,both SHIAs and SUNNIs are united at one point which is their ANIMOSITY against WEST but their way of fighting against west is a little different.
The SUNNI RADICALS specially the WAHHABIs believe in a concept called AL WALA WAL BARA FILLAH(Love for the sake of ALLAH and HATRED for the sake of ALLAH).They have been taught to hate the infidels to please their ALLAH.SHIA RADICALS believe in the same concept but their love and hatred is undercover of another concept called TUQIYYAH(which means to lie to the infidels or to fool infidels to kill them and harm them is the best way of pleasing their GOD ALLAH).
This difference of TUQIYYAH is very obvious in the IRAQ SITUATION.Sunni insurgents had started killing and fighting US soldiers from the very begining of the conflict whereas SHIA RADICALS had shown a beautiful face till they achieved their goal of getting power on the name of DEMOCRACY to form an EXTREMIST ISLAMIC STATE which'd be a part of great ISLAMIC EMPIRE from IRAN in the EAST to LEBANON in the WEST by US TAX PAYERS MONEY on the name of REBUILDING IRAQ to fund not only an ISLAMIC EMPIRE but to help their RADICAL BROTHERS like HEZBOLLAH and HAMAS and to provide them weapons taken from US GOVT on the name of arming IRAQI SECURITY FORCES.Please beware of TUQIYYAH.This is my humble advice to BUSH(I know he won't listen though).

[bellal-2009]

He defined success in Iraq as "a country that governs, defends itself, that is a free society, that serves as an ally in this war on terror."

Yes, that's what we're fighting for. The soldiers are fighting for a worthy cause.

[bushrocks1]

Would I send my son to this war? You might ask would I send him to World War II? Or Vietnam? Maybe you would distinguish those conflicts and whether you would send your son to fight in them. But that question is misdirected in a very important way: I can't command my son to go to war. He has to make that choice. So the better question would be: would I volunteer to fight in Iraq, WW II, Vietnam? Would I volunteer to fight in any war? Respond if drafted? I don%u2019t know. I'm not equivocating, only addressing that it is a hypothetical. To a hypothetical, I can answer, sure I'd fight. But I have nightmares of battle (from my past life as a Jacobite). So how do I feel toward those who do volunteer? Impressed and maturely knowing that many things go into their decision. But I do strongly believe that a country that can't find those men is doomed. The fact that we can find them is one reason why I say there is no failure in Iraq. Objectively, I also believe it for other reasons. An attempt to establish democracy in the Middle East is a bold, brilliant, noble effort, facing a high chance of failure. That's why I greatly respect and admire those who have made the attempt--the Bush administration. They have been resolute, something I have not seen in my lifetime. They may not succeed, for reasons outside their control or fault: traitors on the home front. Now those traitors have occupied the high ground. Yet... we're still in Iraq; the President hasn%u2019t been impeached. Why?...I'm waiting.

[randalds]

There is no indication he'll follow any advice he gets now any more then he did before the war. President Cheney has his hand up under Bush's jacket and is controlling his puppet well. Bush is not intelligent enough to have any thoughts himself, so he buys into everything his insane mentor says to him. Now he is out and about pretending to ask for advice, but Cheney has already decided that Bush will stay the course.

[osidebear]

None of Bush's behavior is surprising, considering his history as a substance abuser. His latest drug of choice happens to be Iraq, and he is incapable at this point of changing his behavior. We have had two "interventions" recently: the midterm elections and the Baker/Hamilton Report, neither of which has made any impact.

The only thing left is for Congress to cut off the funding that fuels the addiction.

[ceekuei]

Sorry for the typo error. It should read " He is more than ...."

[ceekuei]

Junior is slowly but surely progressing into a state of being irrelevant. He more than the proverbial lame-duck president; he is a paralyzed president who has been clueless since day one. He is one of those spoil rich kid that grows into adulthood without independently achieving anything of substance and suddenly finds himself in a position to play war games with human lives. He is an anomaly in the world stage and should be punished to the full extent international laws provide.

[rsoxfan1123]

"I appreciate the advice I got from those folks in the field and that advice is an important part, an important component of putting together a way forward in Iraq," Mr. Bush said in a brief statement.

Translation: "How come none of this stuff sounds like "Stay the Course?"
He'll keep getting advice until he hears what he wants to hear. Sounds like the same mentality that got us into this Iraq mess to begin with- the "cherry picking through intelligence ignoring anything that contradicts you until you scrap together what you want to hear" approach.

[observantx]

"I appreciate the advice I got from those folks in the field and that advice is an important part, an important component of putting together a way forward in Iraq," Mr. Bush said in a brief statement.

Hey Clueless! You need to stop %u201Cappreciating%u201D and start %u201Cfollowing%u201D. More of the same is not going to work. Just step back from the oil barrel and get us out. No more blood for oil.

[kushihanling]

It may be hard for us to swallow, but the world view America as greater threat than any terrorist organization. When a powerful military machine is matched with a delusional government, what can be more dangerous? As this administration marching down the aisle of New World Order with neo-conservative fanatics on it's side, the wedding tune is eerily reminiscent to Germany of 1938.

Now this mighty couple is nailed down on a leash in a quagmire, the world breathes a sigh of relief. America can only bark, but no longer bite. I suppose it is a good thing.

It is NOT just Bush is in a state of denial, but the entire nation is. We admit we have a problem, that is our bottom line, but we refuse to see we ARE the problem.

Ironically, the %u201CWar on Terror%u201D is a great success, any American with conscience watching what is happening in Iraq should agree, yes, we are the terror.