Comments on: Hoyer A Winner Without Pelosi's Support

He'll Be #2 Among House Dems; Key Posts Go To Clyburn, Emanuel

[rsoxfan1123]

Pelosi is a class act. It was disrepectful of them to throw her candidate out. Either she has poor judgement, or they do. Both can't be correct.

[fascistusa]

Meet the New Boss. Same as the Old Boss.

- The Who

The American Fascist Tyranny continues...

[rsoxfan1123]

rsoxfan, buddy don't start that old neocon stuff again. You're too smart for that. On another site today, I've read "Abizaid also went head to head with Democrats who want a phased pullout, saying timetables would limit commanders' flexibility in passing responsibility to Iraqi forces. He also said putting U.S. withdrawals on a schedule would increase sectarian violence." How can Dems respond other than calling him a bluestar name?

Posted by Tinker3478 at 04:09 PM : Nov 16, 2006

Neoconservatism is a philosophical viewpoint, not name calling. When I said "moderate" dems are beginning to resemble them, I meant it. The democrats were elected by a public by and large sick and tired of wallowing around in Iraq and nauseated by "Stay the Course" rhetoric. Elements of the democratic party itself seem to be backpedaling. maybe Murtha was offered as a scapegoat compromise, as Rumsfeld was by bush?

[diverinnl]

That's what I was hoping your point was and I agree 100%. There are a few posters that inspire some good debate regardless of their opinion. Unfortunately, there's always the "squeaky wheels" that make their side seem separated from reality.

[tinker3478]

I'm tired of the name-calling period, diverinni. It's counter-productive and there are enough smart people here we could have some great discussion if we could get past it. Like bushrocks who apparently doesn't know that Dems don't control Congress until after the January swearings.

[ammermantm]

hey buddy, as was stated earlier it is hard for the DEM's to do anything until they are sworn in so wait until January tostart that nonsence

[bushrocks1]

Are we still in Iraq? I thought the Democrats would have us out by now. I'm still waiting...

[diverinnl]

Tinker3478: I hope I am misunderstanding what you stated:

"How can Dems respond other than calling him a bluestar name?"

Are you saying it's OK to resort to name calling if you don't have a logical argument? Please clarify, I'm a little confused on your intended meaning.

[rsoxfan1123]

ozilot-pelosi stated in a cnn article that she wanted to begin work on redeployment and that was the reason for her choice of murtha. sorry about the "Stay the Course" a little while longer longer thing, but it seems to me like that is the way things are moving.

[getcentered]

rsoxfan1123:

Me too.

[tinker3478]

rsoxfan, buddy don't start that old neocon stuff again. You're too smart for that. On another site today, I've read "Abizaid also went head to head with Democrats who want a phased pullout, saying timetables would limit commanders' flexibility in passing responsibility to Iraqi forces. He also said putting U.S. withdrawals on a schedule would increase sectarian violence." How can Dems respond other than calling him a bluestar name?

[rsoxfan1123]

but compromise what? the "Stay the Course" strategy?

[getcentered]

We voted for a change, I think we are going to see it.

[rsoxfan1123]

getcentered-I hope you're right...

[getcentered]

For all who doubt the newly elected leadership and feel that the Democrats will not come to compromise, see the video above titled:

"Hoyer Tries To Mend Fences" (it's unedited)

Hoyer speaks rather eloquently and decisively.
These are the kind of leaders I want to see in my Congress.

[rsoxfan1123]

webdepot-point taken.

[rsoxfan1123]

Tinker3478-he did. bluestardad once published his rank and discussed his extensive military background. He wanted murtha and he wants out of Iraq, much like me.

[webdepot]

rsoxfan1123-
"I just read the website and it is a grim view of the effects of rasing minimum wage."

That depends on how you wish to interpret it...
Since the entire article is presented in a way that is debunking a previous study that said the opposite, what that article is saying to me is: "my study is better than your study", or, in other words, anyone can take a bunch of statistics and make them say whatever the presenter wants them to say..

There is one indisputable fact:
poverty level for a family of 3 = 15,724.00
full time/min wage worker earns = 10,438.00 or
less than 2/3 of the poverty level.

[tinker3478]

Yoohoo-repeat "It would be nice if we could get into some real discussions after all the spewing that's gone on." Bluestar instead of name-calling and innuendo, why don't you tell us who you would have liked to see with the job and why?

[rsoxfan1123]

Pelosi stated one of her immediate goals was to begin working toward phased redloyment. Murtha was an excellent choice for this. As bluestardad (a military officer) pointed out, Hoyer is most likely the "Stay the Course" guy. I think we voted for a change in policy, not a "maybe we'll change later if things go differently". Many "moderate" dems appear to be neocons in drag.