Comments on: Sen. Clinton Fires Back At Rice

N.Y. Democrat Defends Husband, Slams Secretary Rice Over Pre-9/11 Actions

[snowbrd7]

I think the Democrats would do best by laying low and sitting out in '08. Do they really want to inherit this mess? they'd just screw it up anyway. Take a break Dems and get your act together. Every stance you make is flawed and inconsistant. It's almost painful to watch.

[wardparkway2]

tonnie45 -- I am impressed that as a Republican you are wanting to step back and look at other options. That is what the Democratic Party and most of the sane people in America are asking the administration to do only to meet a "gotta stay the course" mentality. No, a cut & run will not work without an implosion in the Middle East... but this administration can't even formulate a plausible plan on how to get out, how to minimize the implosion when it occurs, nor any timeline as to when each of those goals should be reached and re-evaluated.

I don't know about Yale Uiversity (who must have sold an MBA to Dubya), but in other MBA programs around the country (yes, I have one) they teach to constantly re-assess, re-evaluate, and to always search for internal and external impacts on any plan as it is being implemented and executed. This administration has looked at one plan, and failed to comprehend what might happen if something other than what they expected with "shock & awe", and remained steadfast to that plan w/o assessing what has changed. They never anticipated what it would become... and that lack of anticipation is the biggest failure of all.

2003: Mission Accomplished? More like 2006: Mission Improbable

Support peace, and let your vote this fall recognize that the humans dying violent deaths are people, too... and it happens every day in the streets of our own country....

[pulto1]

MERCY...

[annsteitz]

seems to me you're all just around the corner of the facts... Clinton did exactly what he needed to do to when he needed to do it unless you guys have deliberately choosen to forget or have had surgery to remove the parts of your brains when he reported to the nation on television that he was trying to kill Bin Laden... and every President leaves the next President reports of international activities so Rice is out of her mind denying it, but this being an election year what else can be expected... Bush is doing what he should be doing although the lies getting there and Afganistan being more important..., we can all agree upon that, so during these elections lets just get rid of the extra LOADS of *** on the hill and maybe we can survive this at home with better words of support for our troops during this time and have a better democracy worked out for them to come home to!!!

[texaskos_com]

Dear Maxi, ShutUp(please), and Angry"Liberal"(quote-unquote): Maxi, you're wrong on all fronts. Bush IS a coward or he would've fought in Vietnam. Seems he ok with sending others to fight his fight it seems. And was Bush trying while he STAYED on vacation during Katrina? Was Bush trying when he sat in his chair for 7 minutes reading My Pet Goat after learning about the 2nd plane (he already knew about the first before the photo op)? Was Bush trying when he spent a month on vacation prior to 9/11 despite growing noise in the intelligence community of a terror attack? And has been Bush TRYING to kill Bin Laden - or has he been stuck in Iraq? Oh, wait. He's not in Iraq. He's onto Iran or his next vaction or fundraiser. It's OUR TROOPS who are in Iraq. Pathetic. All of you. And AngryLiberal, who is a conservative, really, stay confused. This is just a PR game for you guys & no one's playing anymore. Keep lying, keep being ugly - it's only helping us. ShutUp, well, Murtha hasn't & I'm sure you won't either. Thank god, ONE of you knows what he's talking about.

[oleander8]

To "ShutupMurtha" -- come on, are you being paid to post comments just to stir the pot?

[tonnie45]

To maxig55: Take note. I am a republican. I have very strong beliefs. I think the our wonderful President has done about as much good as he can in office though and it is time for him to take a step back, to re-evaluate his situation. OH excuse me I the situation we are all in. Our troops are being killed constantly, our wonderful construction crews are over there right now, some of them my family members rebuilding that country, only for them to bomb it again. Think about all this and tell me that our administration is right. That's right you can't do that. Our country right now is an open target. And to fool yourselves thinking that this war will be over is crazy. It will not be over in my life time. Get real and wake up. I voted for republicans myself and I still stand behind my beliefs, but if you know you are fighting a war you will not win, why not try to back track and see if there is another option, another way to resolve the issue.

[energyecon]

From the transcripts of 9/11 Commission testimony:

BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcript/

[energyecon]

Link to info showing the do nothing Bush attitude in 2001...

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The January 25, 2001, memo, recently released to the National Security Archive by the National Security Council, bears a declassification stamp of April 7, 2004, one day prior to Rice's testimony before the 9/11 Commission on April 8, 2004. Responding to claims that she ignored the al-Qaeda threat before September 11, Rice stated in a March 22, 2004 Washington Post op-ed, "No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration."

Two days after Rice's March 22 op-ed, Clarke told the 9/11 Commission, "there's a lot of debate about whether it's a plan or a strategy or a series of options -- but all of the things we recommended back in January were those things on the table in September. They were done. They were done after September 11th. They were all done. I didn't really understand why they couldn't have been done in February."

snip

Clarke asked on several occasions for early principals meetings on these issues, and was frustrated that no early meeting was scheduled. No principals committee meetings on Al Qaida were held until September 4th, 2001.

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http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/index.htm

[nynative1340]

George's list:

1. Start fight with father over hitting trash can while drunk;
2. Get drunk;
3. Stay drunk for 20 years;
4. Join Texas National Guard to avoid Vietnam duty;
5. Leave Texas National Guard early to avoid completion of obligation;
6. Get drunk;
7. Start failing businesses using Daddy's friends%u2019 money;
8. Sell stocks early (Harkin business failing) and get slap on wrist from SEC for insider trading (sound familiar);
9. Get drunk;
10. Successfully run for gov of Texas so he can screw up Texas;
11. Screw up Texas;
12. Unsuccessfully run for US President so he can screw up the US;
13. Get bailed out by brother Neal's state and right-wing supreme court and be appointed as president;
14. Screw up US;
15. Get %u2018Bill%u2019;
16. Plan a war with Iraq to avenge father's failings;
17. Act like a moron who can't read or speak proper English;
18. Ignore warnings that allow al Qaeda to attack US;
19. Ignore al Qaeda, start war with Iraq;
20. Spend billions on Iraq war while al Qaeda enjoy safe haven in Afghanistan;
21. Run for re-election so he can continue *** up US;
22. Continue *** up US;
23. Get %u2018Bill%u2019:
24. yada yada yada...

[observertrue]

Bill's List:

1. Confabulate with Monica
2. Confound Congress
3. Cuckold Hillary
4. Conspire Cover-up
5. Contrive Plausibility
6. Contraindicate Culpability
7. Collect Contributions
8. Cancel Capitalism
9. Concoct Contrition
10. Capture Bin Laden

[wardparkway2]

the USS Cole happened 2 weeks before the 2000 Presidential (S)Election.... not exactly a lot of time for an out-going president to take any action other than to order an imediate bombing of the entire Middle East, Afghanistan, and half od Europe. Was corrective action for the "incident" on President-select Bush's agenda? No. Was Osama even on his Radar in Aug 2001? Just a tiny blip compared to the huge agenda-setter problem of encapsulated Saddam's "threat".

Opening a can of "Whoop-A$$" is easy... doing it for the right reason is hard and requires the ability to think, and the ability to accept opinions that may not correspond with our own.

This administration has made the bed that our troops are sleeping in now, and for that I hope our troops can forgive us... because 50.7% of the nation is too egotistical to admit they may have made a mistake... TWICE.

Oil prices are down, because the people that can manipulate the prices (and benefit the most from status quo) are hoping to BUY our happiness so they can put the screws to us for another 21 months. There will be another terror attack in the next 6 weeks because those that are trying to recruit new members are benefited by people quick to open the "whoop-a$$" (again, the status quo).

Vote for reason.... vote for peace... vote for inteligence...

[wardparkway2]

ShutUpMurtha.... when teachers (who have a job) have to pay anywhere from $400-1000/month for health insurance, they can't afford it. Are you telling me that the millions of jobs created (HA!) during this administration come with affordable health insurance????

The bottom line is, do some research... you'll find that the service industry jobs that are being created may have insurance, but totally unaffordable at the wages paid. And even the professional jobs such as teaching and lower level corporate business jobs have policies that eat more out of the employee's pocket than the employer's. Why? Because it's a very expensive benefit and to improve bottom line profits it's an easy way to cut operating expenses.

The days of 100% employer supported insurance and retirement benefits have gone the way of the Edsel. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[maxig55]

Hilary Clinton is a joke and so is her husband Bill. Neither one of them has them is or was capable of running this country. Clinton did absolutely nothing to protect this country from terrorism. He accomplished nothing in Somalia. He accomplished nothing at catching the ones responsible for the bombing of the USS COLE. He would like all of the world to believe he did so much while he was president but that is just so much ***!!!!As for the person who is mortified by the news and the constant barrage of killings, kidnappings,etc. Take a good look around-it's a part of our world and it has nothing to do with the Bush Administration. Do you think the killings and kidnappings will stop if we had a Democrat in the White House? GROW UP!!!! At least Bush is not a coward and he does have the guts to take the evil-doers to task. I am proud of him and the job he has done. Everything he's done might not have been a success but hey he gave it one HELL of a TRY. All of the ones who get on the web to down the Bush Administration are so quick to criticize however not a one of them has any better ANSWERS and neither do the Democrats.

[shutupmurtha]

nikosk1, You are right MOST AMERICANS can not Afford health care that is why we have HEALTH INSURANCE. And, anyone can afford health insurance IF THEY HAVE A JOB. If you dont want to pay for that you can always get medicare. I think the problem is that people dont want to get a job, they are to lazy to get up and get healthcare, and they want the government to spoon feed them. Our government already gives us to much and regulates to much. People have been spoiled by our government handout as it is. And the elderly should be taken care of by their children or church not by the government. Sure the government can help out, but it is ludacris to say the government should take care of them. There are plenty of organizations in this country to help people like that, but they are not going to know that the elderly need help unless they contact them. Duh. How do think the government should solve this problem???? Are you sure you know all the facts? Are even sure if their are "MILLIONS" of dog food eating elderly? Do you know what is being done on the problem now? And how does tis invalidate every one elses opinions on morality?

If "MILLIONS" of elderly are eating Cat and dog food to survive, than may be they should spend the money they used for the pet food.......for...um HUMAN FOOD??!??!?? Maybe the "MILLIONS" of elderly should give their pets to the humane society so they can pay for food.

[diverinnl]

Tonnie45: Poignant and true. That is why I so strongly wish to hear from Powell on this. Partly because he is one of the few people to know the real truth and partly because, having served under him in the military, I know him to be a man of honesty, integrity and courage. If he says that no documents crossed paths, I would believe him. On the same hand if he says that the information was passed between administrations and Bush didn't give it due weight, I would believe him. I don't think he would lie to curry favor from any particular political party.
I have to admit that I'm a life long Republican but if he were to run for President as a Democrat, I would strongly consider casting him my vote.

[angryliberal-2009]

I thought we wanted to avoid bringing up the war on terror? That is our weak spot and everyone knows it. As mush as I like Bill and Hillary, they are hurting the Deomocratic party with the elections right around the corner. Lets hurry up and get past this episode.

[tonnie45]

I agree that at this moment in time our weakest link is in our administration. This country is so screwed up and it will take one heck of a person at this point to gain the American's trust. It kills me to see and hear the news everyday.. I am in my 30's and have never heard as much about fighting, kidnapping and killing people as I have in the last 10 years. I wish that we all could wake up and see that the change in reality begins at home, with our own thinking and how we raise our children. Thanks to all of you who have responded to what I have posted. I needed more insight.

[wardparkway2]

you can not be a patriot and not question what is not correct.... you can not be a Christian and profess to hate any group. It just proves the bumper sticker I saw the other day. It read

"The Religious Right is actually neither"

I am proud to be a FORMER Republican... patriotic and a Christian. I support our Bill of Rights, especially the First Amendment that Corporate Media mega-ownership (which is VERY Republican) is diluting every day. When was the last time any news story said something much different than "President Bush, speaking today in front of a FRIENDLY audience..." The president doesn't support the First Amendment, otherwise he'd be listening to the rest of us... and he'd be a Christian if he supported love, tolerance and peace over hate & war.

I support Bill & Hillary's position in this situation and leave whatever feelings I have about their personal lives to the 2 people impacted... Bill & Hillary.

[energyecon]

Read the 9/11 Commission testimony and report for yourself:

BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcript/