Comments on: Senate Defies Bush On Terror Bill

GOP-Led Committee Approves Detainee Law Opposed By President

[dfass405-2009]

clestes, you said "We will become no better than they if we allow this abomination to pass" Where to start, how can you say we will be no different??? We are taking great pains to decide how should treat these absolute, sick, discusting, death loving, women hating, freedom hating, American Hating, racis, scum bags. How can any one stick up for these abombinations. Do you realize what these people want to do??? We are talking about hmmmm, should we "torture" them (if you want to call it that). Sure we in America think this is horrible we are taught to think everyone is good and that every one thinks like we do and that everyone wants freedom. These people could have information that could prevent massive attacks in the US possiby even nuclear attacks wich can utterly destroy everything in a 70 mile radius and cause up to 200 mile/hr winds and kill countless people. WAKE UP that is what these people in these prisons would do in a heart beat if they could. If that did happen and some captured terrorist had info on another attack would you still object??? So why wait until an attack, lets nip it in the bud now before it does happen.

[dfass405-2009]

luvNY I understand what you are saying, but I think in a time of war some do our country and our service men a diservice when they say president is no different than those they are fighting. This is exactly the propaganda the enemy uses to fuel their hate. We all know the president is not out to kill as many innocent people as possible simply because they are a different nationality and/or religion. In fact they even passed up a chance to kill aprox 190 taliban because they were at a funeral and now these same taliban are probably gonna plant roadside bombs and kill our men. They are almost trying to hard to not kill those who mingle with the enemy. I think that since we are now at war we should all support those who are fighting it and also support the mission that they are there for, because they would not be there without the mission. We would never have won WWII if we fought that war the same way way we fight this war We also would not have won WWII if the media was comparing death tolls and Politicizing the war like they are today.

[clestes-2009]

We will become no better than they if we allow this abomination to pass. No one can seriously think it is OK to toture a prisoner and then believe what they say under torture. I would think the Spanish Inquisition would have taught that, or how about the Salem Witch trials.

And the idea of using evidence against a prisoner and they cannot see it?? How can they expected to refute it or prove their innocence? People cannot believe that all suspected terrorist are really terrorist? Look at all the prisoners at Guantomino. 95% of them have never been charged with anything. Because they have no proof of any wrong doing.

Right now the US armed forces are having a really difficult time getting recruits. As a result the armed forces of full of people who would never have been allowed to join under different circumstances. That makes for a poor army. If we allow torture, then the armed forces will have an even harder time getting recruits because the young men and women will know that if they are captured by ANYONE they will be sujected to the same torture as we apply to our prisoners.

The Geneva Convention was created for a reason.
Why do you think all these generals and admirals are against this bill?

[spitzra1]

Wake up! We are talking about terror extremest who have only one purpose. If it saves innocent lives, then do what it takes to eliminate this threat.

[luvny-2009]

Thanks dfass405 you made some good points, some I agree with and some I don't. Right now we are being told that we are unpatriot if we disagree with the president. The emails we have sent is a great example of our rights. I respect your point of view and please respect mine. QUOTE:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Teddy Roosevelt

[dfass405-2009]

The crusades were also a reaction against IslamicFascism. If you want more info on this read The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam by Robert Spencer. In order to defeat this primitive, but formidable enemy, we need to use every weapon in our arsenal. The major hindrance to succeeding in this war is Extreme-Left in America. They need to stop offering their heads to the enemy and at least agree that we are at war and that we need to implement things that will save thousands of innocent lives. If they wont do it for America they can at least do it to possibly save their own lives.

[stevyz1]

its time for accountability!! fire rumsfeld..impeach bush cheney..then try them as war criminals....jail our failed leaders!!

[dfass405-2009]

People like "luvNY" apparently have no comprehension of the situation at hand. This person said "If things go as planned by our administration then we will be no better than the people we are condemning." It is obvious that if things DONT go according to the administrations "plans" THAN we will be no better than our enemy because we will all be walking around with Islamic guards patrolling the streets beating people for not obeying there fascists law. Unfortunately the current administration is not doing enough to make sure this does not happen, but they are the best we have. We should have gone into war the objective of full destruction of the enemy! Since we did not do that we are playing a game of *** for tat. We take some of your lives you get some of ours, NO that is not how we are supposed to fight a war. That is wrong our military is risking their lives to fight this war and we owe it to them to destroy the enemy wherever they are. Also we have not "created" a breeding ground for Islamicfascists, if you knew any history you would realize that they have been there for years. In fact if it wasnt for them we would not be in America today. Christopher Columbus never would have sought an alternate route to the Indies if the Islamofascist did not ban western travelers. We never would have had the Renaissance because the Greek intellectuals never would have fled for their lives out of the Muslim countries into Europe. You see so they have always been there.

[luvny-2009]

Sadly we as a country are as divided now as we've ever been. If things go as planned by our administration then we will be no better than the people we are condemning. We don't have a president we have a wannabee dictator who seems to be getting what HE wants. I am ashamed of what we are becoming. In the last 5+ years I have seen things that I would have never believed. We the US have hit the bee's nest with a big stick and now have attracted many more bee's. Had we thought through it and approached it carefully and with a plan, we along with others would have had much better control. We have created a breeding ground with no end in site and it's our own fault. "Mission Accomplished" not even close. Never have I seen so much lying about so many different things. Yes Sadam was an awful person and needed to be stopped but not when we did. We needed to concentrate on Osama as all fingers pointed to him for the terrorist attacks not Sadam. We were all duped. Bush took how we felt in our hearts after 9/11 and used it to get the ok for going after Osama and then ran with it for control of oil in Iraq using Sadam as his excuse. Interesting thought also, Bush said God called him to be President (anyone else that would have said that would be in a padded room) and our enemies say God tells them to kill, personally I think their BOTH nuts!

[dfass405-2009]

they are terrorists.

[dfass405-2009]

in response to fbultaco. I dont recall hearing "give me the middle eastern citizens that would love to destroy this land and her people, give me your terrorists that kill mercilessly, give me those who would love to do away with our freedom and subject us to Islamic law". We need to realize that these people are not immagrants they

[dfass405-2009]

This is ridiculous that people should equate terrorists with domestic criminals. Terrorists have information that could save countless lives, domestic criminals ussually commit crimes for personal gain and have no network. These terrorists commit crimes "to the glory of Allah". We are facing a completely different type of enemy and a completely different prisoner. Many of these prisioners have said they will kill the families of the guards if they ever get out. The only way they will get out is if the democrats get their way.

[alphaa10-2009]

Cheney must be going crazier than usual-- these "al Qaeda" sympathizers are springing up everywhere! In even Warner's office, not to mention those well-known Qaeda-simps Graham and McCain.

What's the world coming to? The thin line of patriots holding the line on Iraq is melting... melting away. You never can find a good fascist when you need one.

[fbultaco]

"Give me your tired, your poor -
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."

It seems like the current administration has never heard those words that made America the beacon of liberty to the entire world instead of the #1 imperialist. Sad.

[drgoodwin12]

Is this just political manuevering for the campaigns or are the senators looking at their conscience?If only three republicans oppose it,despite what the supreme court has ruled does that mean that the supreme court is wrong? This war on terror is not going to be won by forced confessions (they may not be accurate)or by hearsay.Your own neighbor,coworker could concoct any story they like if they are just mean spirited individuals. No it will not be won with these types of legal actions.The war on terror has to be fought with (a) good intelligence(b)a program designed to prevent individuals from wanting to become terrorist.(c)Finally with bullets and bombs. An after thought is our mideast policy ever been conducive to prevent terror groups. Answer no,not during any adminstration in the last 50 years,maybe never.

[lucifinil-2009]

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