Comments on: Senate Defies Bush On Terror Bill

GOP-Led Committee Approves Detainee Law Opposed By President

[dfass405-2009]

give some support couldnt care less what you call me just make an argument for your case. I am not a liberal i dont care what people think of me, that does not determine my ppolitical views, I use logic, common sense, and realistic thinking. That is always more effective than name calling and temper tantrums

[clestes-2009]

You really don't get it do you. I will put it another way.

The year is 1920. Canada says, instead of being one country I am going to divide you up into 50 states. Then I am going to overthrow your democratically elected president and put in the Shah. I will also place Canada troops there to make sure he stays in power. The Shah will saw down all your forests and sell the lumber to me at whatever price I say.

The troops will also use your churches as their gameroom. Some of the troops will get a little overly friendly with your woman, get over it.

You don't like that, stuff it. I am going to do what I want.

We rebel after 25 years of this, and take some Canadians hostage. The hostage crisis ends. However instead of the moderate president we had before you messed with us, we now have a radical fundamentalist who puts back 100 years.

Are you understanding now? Osama Bin Laden has never made any secret of the reason for his attacks. Zacharia Moussoui said the same thing, it all comes down to US foreign policy.

You see, we Americans think we are so great that we can do anything to anyone we want. You have a natural resource we need. OK if you will not give it to us reasonably, we will take it.

It all comes down to money and oil. That is the only reason we have messed with the Middle East. When we became addicted to oil, they became important enough to interfere with.

Now, we have a major problem with foreign countries and not just the middle east ones either.

[dfass405-2009]

lol, name calling another respectable liberal.

[annabanana-1]

The America that the administration envisions is not the beacon of truth and hope that she was meant to be. We must never stand for torture and indefinite incarceration, and agression. That is not the American Spirit. We cannot thrive if we cannot stand in the light.

[dfass405-2009]

AND THEY LOOK AT US AS WHAT CELESTE, I think you didnt mean "sick, disgusting, child killing, girl raping, murdering, blasphemers, racist animals that have no idea of who we are or what we live by" but they told us what they think we are INFIDELS. That is Jews and Christians. That is why they hate us not because of anything else. Do you listen to the Al Queda videos? They tell us exactly what they think, In fact you sound like the "American" in Al Queda Adam Ghadhan who uses the DNC talking points to get his message accross.

[dfass405-2009]

610 to 632 years older

[dfass405-2009]

AND ISLAM IS NOT OLDER THAN CHRISTIANITY!!! Christianity is at least 610 and 632 years older. So get your "facts" right.

[dfass405-2009]

Celeste, they have hated us and will always hate us. READ THE KORAN. You think they are just making up all this stuff, I have done years of research on this stuff. Read the Koran once. It is clear where they get these ideas. They have been doing this since the founding of their religion. Whether they misinterpret the Koran or not is irrelevant the fact is many many of them throughout history have come to the same conclusion about Jews and westerners. America did provoke this you are right, we provoked this by not converting to Islam. The only way they will accept us is if we convert to Islam and practice sharia law period. So if you want to be subjected to Sharia Law, than keep promoting these truly SICK terrorist extremists. Do some research don%u2019t just give liberal psychobabble.

[lukebize]

The Geneva Accords were passed after long years of war atrocities. Pretending it never happened or that it "wasn't so bad" won't keep it from happening again. The United States is not immune.

The proposed Bush legislation literally paves the way for torture of incarcerated Americans at home and abroad, as well as "terror suspects". In exactly the same way, our secret prisons have allowed holding individuals without any evidence of wrongdoing, merely on suspicion.

Allowing this legislation to pass is an open invitation to secretly arrest and/or torture accused Americans within borders of the U.S.

This kind of legislation is in fact a test of public acceptance. If Americans accept (or even in some cases, _promote_) this kind of unconstitutional injustice against foreign nationals, it is a clear indicator to politicians everywhere that we are also prepared to allow it against our neighbors, our families and all other fellow citizens whether or not they have actually done anything wrong.

[dfass405-2009]

luvNY? You liberals want our soldiers to shoot cap guns at the enemy, I want to to hit them hard and KILL as many as possible, hopefully all of them. You liberals rant and rave how we treat these poor poor terrorist so badly and yet you show no mercy to inocent unborn children. You declare war on walmart, the number 1 retailer in America and you support terrorist rights. Come on lets get real here, all you do is let the conservatives do the work and research on the issues than you liberals take the opposite side. Wake up, George Bush has won two elections in a row, The republicans control the government by POPULAR DEMAND and all liberals can do is throw temper tantrums and rant and rave about TV shows (THAT IS WHY CONSERVATIVES WILL CONTINUE TO WIN THE VOTES FROM AMERICANS) instead of focusing on SOLUTIONS to problems. AT LEAST CONSERVATIVES CAN OFFER SOLUTIONS, not just criticize.

[clestes-2009]

For all you bloggers out there that think we are justified in treating prisoners of war like animals, try reading my earlier remarks.

I say it again. We are reaping trouble from the trouble we sowed when we starting messing in Middle East affairs starting back in the 1920's. Ambassadors to the middle east have been predicting this scenario for years.

[clestes-2009]

Thank you luvNY.

If the American electorate cannot see the harm these people are doing to us then we must accept the consequences.

[luvny-2009]

Nice job clestes ...maybe some of these people (dfass405) will get off their ponies and put away their cap guns and go take their nap now :-)

[clestes-2009]

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4.We go to their countries, uninvited and break all sorts of taboos that we never bother to learn about, because we think Christianity is the only religion and they must be BACKWARD to pray 5 times a day. Did you know that the Muslim religion is older than Christianity by about 1000 years?

My point is this. If Iran did to the US what the US has done to Iran for the past 50 years, we would attacking them too.

Try doing your homework before you get online to sound off so you know what you are talking about. I suggest "All the Shah's Men" as a starting book. You will never look at the CIA the same again.

[clestes-2009]

Look, dfass405 I know exactly what I am talking about. You are looking at them as "absolute, sick, discusting, death loving, women hating, freedom hating, American Hating, racis, scum bags".

Don't you understand that they are looking at us as "sick, disgusting, child killing, girl raping, murdering, blasphemers, racist animals that have no idea of who we are or what we live by."

It is all a matter of perspective.

Do you know anything about US foreign policy towards the Middle East? I would guess not. You think these people just woke up one day and said I hate the US for their freedoms, the way woman vote and their rock and roll?

The following is just a short list of harm the US has caused the Middle East and Iran in particular.

1. Iran in 1953 The US organized overthrow of their democratically elected offical and installed the Shah, who was universally hated by the Iranians. He was more brutal than Saddam and ruled over Iran for 25 years.

2. Iraq 1990's We pushed for sanctions that included NO MEDICINES that cost the lives of 100,000 babies.

3.Iraq 1990 We encouraged ***** Muslims to revolt against Saddam by promising them help. Bush Sr. decided, OOPs don't think so. Saddam slaughtered 100,000 *****.

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[urxlncy]

There is one thing I can understand and even heard on radio that if this bill is approved the soldiers caught by the enemy will adopt a similar
strategy and would like to set their own ways of getting information. You see! So these Geneva convention and UN, even though we don't like them but is better to work with them.
You know what this is a political move to divert people's attention. I am sure they will come up with some statement from someone in Gitmo that Iran or some country has a nuke already or a dangerous bomb or something. My question is how long can you be fed Fear. Remember all this time we were told about hidden threats nothing but threats by these politicians. I don't criticize the people. I critize the liberalism and the vulnerability of the people for fear about effects on their freedom. Which is a capitalizing point to the Politicians to do their business.

[dfass405-2009]

jh6379, wow your post is filled with so much support for your argument. I really learned alot. Look im not saying cut off noses and stuff, baddog777. You bring up a good point that im sure needs to be discussed. We do need to draw the line somewhere. We are at war right now and we have done things in the past and it has no been a snowball efect. We know when to implement things and when to stop, for instance WWII when we rounded up the Japanese people and monitored them we stopped after the war. And I am not saying we should do that or anything like that but i am using it as an example of drawing the line. It was deemed necessary in a time of war, so we did it and stopped afterward. But yoou do bring up a very good point.

[luvny-2009]

dfass405 .. you stated:
I think that since we are now at war we should all support those who are fighting it (absolutely and wanting an end to it and bringing our Men & Women home is supporting them or are you saying they want to be there and get shot at every day, We need a whole new approach with assistance from other counties because this hand to hand *** will not work and they recruit new people everyday. Bush screwed up plain and simple FACE IT. We need a whole new plan ) and also support the mission that they are there for, ( thought W'ya said the reason we went there was to remove Sadam and his WMD's which he never had and Sadam has been removed, remember him in his photo op 19 miles off shore with the cameras pointing out so no one could see how close he was to land "Mission Accomplished") because they would not be there without the mission. and the mission was...is your last name Bush?...end of conversation

[baddog777]

Hmm. Okay. So, if it's okay to torture them, at what point do we draw the line? Waterboarding? Beating? Cutting off of ears and noses? Forcing them to watch while atrocities are committed against their families?

It would seem that a lot of people would lead us to believe the end justifies the means.