Comments on: Judge Bars Some Bin Laden Driver Evidence

War Crimes Judge Says Former Driver Was Subjected To "Highly Coercive" Conditions At Afghan Base

[ajmarine111]

Have some cojones, gentlemen (if I can use THAT term loosely)!

Posted by ofbyfor1 at 01:31 AM : Jul 22, 2008


Sorry, I''ve been away and just got back. Let me see what you have asked.

[feelfree4u]

Re: "All the religions of peace.

Fighting to the death."
SearingTruth


A particularly nice one, ST.

[ofbyfor1]

Posted by ofbyfor1 at 01:16 AM : Jul 22, 2008

AJMarine111---Can I go to sleep know or are you still attempting to come up with a lucid and logical response?

I get reeeeeally tire of conversing here with people who can''t respond when you call them on something!!!

It''s not that I can''t deal with people who have a different opinion from mine; it''s that people who get called out on their opinions or facts don''t have the guts to respond or have the honor to admit when they are wrong!

Have some cojones, gentlemen (if I can use THAT term loosely)!

[ofbyfor1]

Posted by ofbyfor1 at 01:16 AM : Jul 22, 2008

AJMarine111---Can I go to sleep know or are you still attempting to come up with a lucid and logical response?

I get reeeeeally tire of conversing here with people who can''t respond when you call them on something!!!

It''s not that I can''t deal with people who have a different opinion from mine; it''s that people who get called out on their opinions or facts don''t have the guts to respond or have the honor to admit when they are wrong!

Have some cojones, gentlemen (if I can use THAT term loosely)!

[ajmarine111]

BUT, how do you differentiate the terrorists from the poor slobs who end up working with them because THEY cant tell the difference?


Posted by ofbyfor1 at 01:16 AM : Jul 22, 2008


Because they can''t tell the difference in what?



"In other words, if WE can''''t tell the difference because someone isn''''t wearing a uniform, how do you expect the driver to?''


The man drove for OBL,............don''t you think he knew what he was doing? When they caught him, he had two anti-aircraft missles in the car with him.

[feelfree4u]

Related-

Bush regime torture Gulag expanding:

"US military jails ''black holes'', say US lawyers for Afghan reporter"

"KABUL (AFP) %u2014 US human rights lawyers charged Sunday that US military prisons are "legal black holes" and the force is detaining journalists to "shut people up" about activities in Iraq and Afghanistan."

"A vast detention camp planned for the main US base in Afghanistan will be a "second Guantanamo" where laws do not apply, they said at a press conference about an Afghan reporter in US military custody without charge for nine months."

"The US military is holding Jawad Ahmad, who has worked with Canadian Television (CTV), at its detention facility at Bagram north of Kabul on allegations he is an "unlawful enemy combatant."

"Ahmad is among 650 people being held at Bagram without trial..."

"Many people in Afghanistan and in Iraq that have been targeted for detention are local journalists covering the conflict in their own country,"

[ofbyfor1]

Posted by AJMarine111 at 12:50 AM : Jul 22, 2008

Because, perhaps, he may not have been involved in an army? Yeah, I know you''ll say that none of them wear a uniform, because terrorists AREN''t part of any country''s army. And you''d be RIGHT on that point!

BUT, how do you differentiate the terrorists from the poor slobs who end up working with them because THEY cant tell the difference?

In other words, if WE can''t tell the difference because someone isn''t wearing a uniform, how do you expect the driver to?

I''ll give you my entire life savings if you can answer this conclusively in a logical argument!

[ofbyfor1]

In any legitimate court---military or civilian---the issues of how and under what conditions the evidence was obtained could be reviewed. Which means war crimes offenses by the Bush administration would be acknowledged.

Under this made up court system designed to railroad the accused, what''''s included is ONLY what they want, what''''s not, they don''''t allow! There''''s no justice involved, it''''s just about getting a conviction!

It will inflame the Middle-East against us!

I think you''''re correct about your speculation!

Posted by stn_sage at 12:29 AM : Jul 22, 2008

I want to repeat this post because this is a point that the neocons always seem to neglect and then they want to accuse those of us who DO take it into account as being ''America haters'' or ''terrorist apologists''.

I don''t think that I belong to either of those categories.

But I do believe that evidence gathered under torrture and hearsay should simply NOT be allowed under any system that wants to have the word ''justice'' associated with its name.

For those of you who want to justify this--do you realize that we are only a short step away from the right of the state to take away anyone for any reason and keep them indefinaitely, without any right of ''habeus corpus''?

Boumediene v. Bush, look it up!

[ajmarine111]

By the way, how is it that McCain was released from prison at the end of the VietNam war but this little guy with a fourth grade education is facing a life sentence?


Posted by Greybeardvet at 12:24 AM : Jul 22, 2008


Because the guy with the fourth grade education was not wearing a uniform.

[feelfree4u]

Re: "He should be severely spanked for his poor choices in support of terrorism,selling out his moral and ethic to other humans to serve self,we hardly owe him the time of day"

Posted by soshljustic


And how shall we treat you for being foolish enough to hitch your sorry wagon to a cowardly cowboy- a war criminal, torturer, psychopathic greedy liar, and mass-murderous traitor?

Should you receive the same?

[soshljustic]

"Defense lawyers say he only kept the job for the US$200-a-month salary." and a 4th grade education, oh the poor little misbegotten man, who is pleading it is not his fault he is in bed with a master terrorist and we should pardon his poor little transgressions because after all he had no personal choice, no personal agency in the matter and he should be treated like the excuse maker he is and we should all feel sorry for him,yeah. Bullkaka! I dont have a full brain, am poor, going to school to learn a new occupation i can do, to make money again, at 50 years of age. I dont have the bleeding heart to feel sorry for this jack w/o the nuts to know better-sitting here without a large chunk of brain. He should be severely spanked for his poor choices in support of terrorism,selling out his moral and ethic to other humans to serve self,we hardly owe him the time of day

[feelfree4u]

The regime also regularly imprisons, tortures, and murders journalists, as a matter of course, and as an attempt to silence and intimidate them.

"National and foreign organizations for protection of journalists have described the condition of journalists in Afghanistan as shocking. They also demanded an unconditional release of Afghan journalist Jawid Ahmad, who is currently being detained in the US Bagram prison. Mariam Asi reports:"

"Addressing a press conference held in Kabul, officials from these organizations say Jawid Ahmad, an Afghan journalist, is innocent and that the US forces have imprisoned him illegally. They say the US troops imprison innocent people in Bagram and Guantanamo detention centres on various charges."


SEE B.S.???

Nary a peep.

[toldyouso12]

Torture any one of us, including Bush or Cheney and most would admit to being the driver for Saddam, having engineered 9/11, having personally killed every one in WWII or anything else.

The simple truth is, no information that is gained by torture can be trusted--because to stop the torture--anyone of us and this man, will say anything and admit to everything to stop the pain or torture.

This is just common sense. If all the government has is forcing people they torture to admit to crimes-then they have no case. If civilian police could do this--every case would be solved. NOT because the real criminal was caught or admitted to crimes--but because anyone who was brought in and tortured would admit to the same crime--even if they had not been born when the crime occurred. Tortured people will do or say anything to stop the horror of it. Even the most evil and sadistic among us, know this is true.

[soshljustic]

"Defense lawyers say he only kept the job for the US$200-a-month salary." and a 4th grade education, oh the poor little misbegotten man, who is pleading it is not his fault he is in bed with a master terrorist and we should pardon his poor little transgressions because after all he had no personal choice, no personal agency in the matter and he should be treated like the excuse make he is and we should all feel sorry for him,yeah. Bullkaka! I dont have a full brain, am poor, going to school to learn a new occupation i can do, to make money again, at 50 years of age. I dont have the bleeding heart to feel sorry for this jack w/o the nuts to know better-sitting here without a large chunk of brain. He should be severely spanked for his poor choices in support of terrorism,selling out his moral and ethic to other humans to serve self,we hardly owe him the time of day

[stn_sage]

smurfcrusher:

There''''s another possibility - that a fair trial would reveal the war crimes perpetuated by this administration in an open court.

Posted by smurfcrusher at 12:07 AM : Jul 22, 2008
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In any legitimate court---military or civilian---the issues of how and under what conditions the evidence was obtained could be reviewed. Which means war crimes offenses by the Bush administration would be acknowledged.

Under this made up court system designed to railroad the accused, what''s included is ONLY what they want, what''s not, they don''t allow! There''s no justice involved, it''s just about getting a conviction!

It will inflame the Middle-East against us!

I think you''re correct about your speculation!

[smurfcrusher]

"As an old Army vet, I am highly skeptical of military justice when politics are involved as they are here. The judge seems to have a sense of judicial prudence but that is no guarantee that the six officers on the jury do. They may be independent thinkers or they may be the biggest suck-butts in uniform; time will tell."

posted by Greybeardvet


I''m sure the military officers that would form the tribunal are only the very finest ex-torturers a promised promotion can buy!

I wouldn''t put it past King George to have the torturers on the tribunal, deciding the prisoners'' fates.

Give ''em a fair hearing, THEN hang ''em!

[smurfcrusher]

Humanavance - That is a remarkable quote.

Neither King George (English, or Shrub variety) was a fan of the Constitution.

Thanks for sharing that quote.

[greybeardvet]

As an old Army vet, I am highly skeptical of military justice when politics are involved as they are here. The judge seems to have a sense of judicial prudence but that is no guarantee that the six officers on the jury do. They may be independent thinkers or they may be the biggest suck-butts in uniform; time will tell.

By the way, how is it that McCain was released from prison at the end of the VietNam war but this little guy with a fourth grade education is facing a life sentence?

[smurfcrusher]

King George''s reign over America is like a disease upon this Earth.

We''re lucky only tens of thousands or perhaps a couple hundred thousand have died from his War of Choice.

[smurfcrusher]

should be end of WWI. (typo).

see this:
"The Influenza Pandemic of 1918

The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War, known today as World War I (WWI), at somewhere between 20 and 40 million people. It has been cited as the most devastating epidemic in recorded world history. More people died of influenza in a single year than in four-years of the Black Death Bubonic Plague from 1347 to 1351. Known as "Spanish Flu" or "La Grippe" the influenza of 1918-1919 was a global disaster. "

http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/