Comments on: Guantanamo Interrogation Tape Released

Canadian Detainee, Arrested At Age 15, Weeps, Shows Wounds In Clips Released By Lawyers

[old_ez]

***And since you no longer have the right to Habeas Corpus you will never have a chance of the truth being told, and will be at the mercy of Bush''''s psychopathic brethren for what remains of your lives.

Your use of words like ''brethren'' is really cool-- you''ve altered my thinking entirely. I''ll commence grabbing my ankles-- no for you, ST!! Don''t get your hopes up! But for OBL and his ''brethren''. I''ll even try to like it thereby becoming even more progressive and enlightened.

[xxunknown]

perhaps if we had no nations and no borders to begin with, this kind of thing would be moot. Has everyone lost sight of the notion that we are all human?

[smurfcrusher]

Naturally, the Bush administration dreads having these people in a court of law.

I doubt it''s because they feel our system of justice can''t work when times are tough, although some would make it sound that way.

No, I think it''s because they would be severely punished for war crimes. In time, I believe the truth will be out.

It''s essential that this happen, to prevent future abuses in the future.

Some poor sap grabbed off the streets for a bounty, does not a terrorist make.

And this would be very clear in a trial - even if the thugs tried to beat a nonexistent story out of them.

If Bush is so adamant about imposing American values on other cultures - he should finish the job. Innocent until proven guilty!

[old_ez]

***It sounds to me like you don''''t understand anything at all. If we had no honor he would already be dead. They would have let him die on the battlefield. this individual is not an american citizen nor is he in the US. He has no right to protection under American laws.

Thank you! Very succinct and it also has the virtue of being true. I don''t remember al Qaeda being a signee to the Geneva Conventions-- which we adhere to purely out of self-interest anyway, i.e., so that our soldiers won''t be treated poorly by the enemy in return for us not treating enemy soldiers poorly. Last time I checked, al Qaeda SAWS off the heads of their prisoners.

**Maybe you should go back to preaching about how good your savior Obama is.

Bravo. ceterum censeo Obamam esse victam.

And I do mean victAM.

[smurfcrusher]

Cornbiker: "Funny how the liberal system hasn''''t helped much.."

Perhaps you are too young to remember the prosperity of the Clinton years. I, am not.

The conservatives led by George W. Bush have dominated politics since the Monica Lewinsky scandal. They have only themselves to blame for this war of choice, the dismal economy, the degraded environment, skyrocketing heal costs (see * below) amd the massive federal deficit.

No, much though they would like to, the Republicans can''t pin this one on the liberals.


* The Republicans, in their wisdom, gave a huge boost to Big Pharma by PROHIBITING the federal government from negotiating better prescription drug prices, as the VA long has done.
According to the Republicans, prescription drugs are cheap enough...!

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/12/bartlett-medicare-negotiate-prices/

[rafterman1]

===The point is that they are not being beaton or mistreated. They are taught that if captured to claim that they are mistreated. Al Queda terrorists are a bunch of liers!===
Posted by redbds

Cheney himself on the Sunday news shows a few years ago admitted the Unoted States tortures, in an effort to defend the practice.

[rafterman1]

===It sounds to me like you don''''t understand anything at all. If we had no honor he would already be dead. They would have let him die on the battlefield. this individual is not an american citizen nor is he in the US. He has no right to protection under American laws.===
Posted by redbds

You''ve just proven my point. The soldiers in the field did the honorable thing by saving him and taking him prisoner. Most soldiers will act honorably. But once the politicians get a hold of them (with you neocons urging them on), then the dishonor starts. So, let''s recap. Soldiers, putting their lives on the line, acted honorably while politicians and keyboard warriors opted for torture and dishonor. See a pattern here?

===Maybe you should go back to preaching about how good your savior Obama is.===
Posted by redbds

Huh?

[luigi999-2009]

Who cares if these lousy terrorists cry during interogation? Better them cry than us.

[redbds]

Wow. I am literally speechless as I have explained to you FOUR times now that not beating someone in custody is NOT the same as wanting to set them free. Insisting we follow our own laws and sense of justice is not the same as wanting to set all the prisoners free. You range of thinking is too limited to even bother continuing with this.




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Posted by Rafterman1 at 03:34 PM : Jul 15, 2008

The point is that they are not being beaton or mistreated. They are taught that if captured to claim that they are mistreated. Al Queda terrorists are a bunch of liers!

[redbds]

Well stated, cornbiker!

[rafterman1]

===How come all the prisoners claim that they have been beaten.. Because they know the liberals will jump on the band wagon and set them free.. If they get the wheel started then they can just sit back and chuckle about how much trouble they have started.. In hopes that some bleeding heart will set them free.. So they can do what they did when they got caught.. and if that means killing more Americans then so be it..===
Posted by cornbiker

Wow. I am literally speechless as I have explained to you FOUR times now that not beating someone in custody is NOT the same as wanting to set them free. Insisting we follow our own laws and sense of justice is not the same as wanting to set all the prisoners free. You range of thinking is too limited to even bother continuing with this.

[redbds]

You neocons just don''''t get it. You are incapable of understanding what honor is all about, it is such a foreign concept to you.

Posted by Rafterman1 at 03:09 PM : Jul 15, 2008

It sounds to me like you don''t understand anything at all. If we had no honor he would already be dead. They would have let him die on the battlefield. this individual is not an american citizen nor is he in the US. He has no right to protection under American laws. Maybe you should go back to preaching about how good your savior Obama is.

[rafterman1]

===Where in the article does it show that the young terrorist was mistreated? He did not die from his wounds on the battlefield, so he must have been treated decently.===
Posted by JoeLiberst

At this point, we are discussing torture in general and not this specific story.

[rafterman1]

===Rafterman1 ~ so your saying that it would be honorable to let the terrorist go, so they can kill more Americans? Then why don''''t we close down our prisons? Seems like the honorable thing if we use your definition..===
Posted by cornbiker

What is your problem? I said three times in this thread that not beating a prisoner senseless and letting them go are not the same things. Follow our rules of law and justice. If they did something, try them and send the to prison or release them. Beating is not an option in American law or priciples. Do you have reading comprehension problems?

Why do you insist on saying that because we don''t believe in torture, we want to let the prinsoers go? Why is it always 0 or 100 for you? Is this an example of the legednary conservative black or white, no gray, view of the world?

===(which is just fine with me.. being a concealed weapon permit holder I will protect my family, friends and property.. I will use the UCMJ to govern my actions.. Which is honorable)===
Posted by cornbiker

Ah, a tough guy (at least until you take the gun away). Well, the UCMJ says you can defend yourself, but it prohibits torture.

[old_ez]

***What part of that do you not understand about our position on this?

It would be easier to understand you if you knew how to spell:
** you treat them humanly = humanely
**acting as cruely = cruelly

In fact, I agree with you-- we should in fact shut down Gitmo and hand all of them over to Egypt and Syria. They''ll do more than make them stand for a reaaalllly long time (how cruel!) and not let them sleep (naughty!) and wear women''s underwear (perhaps you''d like it there Rafterman?).

[joeliberst]

"On the battlefield, you kill or be killed. But once someone is a prisoner, you treat them humanly, as the law says. What part of that do you not understand about our position on this?"
Posted by Rafterman1

Where in the article does it show that the young terrorist was mistreated? He did not die from his wounds on the battlefield, so he must have been treated decently.

[rafterman1]

===And to top it off you have people like jh6379 saying that if some teenager attacks you on the street you should kiss them.. give them what ever they want.. because they are teenagers and don''''t know any different===
Posted by cornbiker

Why is it that you neocons think that if somneone believes you don''t beat a prisoner senseless, that we want to let them go and "give them a kss"? Is it all or nothing for you people? You can''t see half-way?

On the battlefield, you kill or be killed. But once someone is a prisoner, you treat them humanly, as the law says. What part of that do you not understand about our position on this?

[rafterman1]

===Americans, ask the liberals and the ''''international community'''' if you can have your balls back.===
Posted by old_ez

So you equate disobeying our own laws, acting dishonorably and acting as cruely as the terrorists would as "having balls"?

You neocons just don''t get it. You are incapable of understanding what honor is all about, it is such a foreign concept to you.

[rudy654-2009]

Or are you an Atheist who believes America should be free from all religion, instead of freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof ?


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Posted by Minuteman

I believe in the constitutional right to the religion of your choice. However, I also have the right to criticise people who think they are somehow righteous yet just as dirty as Islamic fundamentalists.

[old_ez]

Gee, CBS seems to have left out the part about his father being a financier of al Qaeda; his brother being held in a Canadian prison for terrorist activity; and sundry other family members being active supporters of overseas terrorist groups and even shacking up with bin Laden. 100 years ago we wld''ve gotten whtever info we could out of him and then shot him. 200 hundred years ago we wld''ve scalped him. Why is he, and all the other riff-raff in Gitmo, still alive??? Americans, ask the liberals and the ''international community'' if you can have your balls back.