Comments on: Report: CIA Pushed Torture Envelope

Justice Department Says FBI Warned Spy Agency, Military, That Their Tactics Were "Borderline Torture"

[vet_sk]

Charge them for war crimes and torture. President Obama will make it clear in his inaugural address that he will legally and non-politically investigate these actions and those responsible from the top to the bottom will be held responsible in a court of law.

[stn_sage]

Let me see if I have the facts straight:

1. The audit was issued by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine.

2. For at least part of the time covered by Fine''s investigation, the CIA and Pentagon were working under Justice Department guidance that their interrogation methods were legal.

3. CIA agents took over interrogation fm the FBI, using "borderline" torture.

4. FBI agents then witnessed for years illegal wide-ranging abuses at three prisons. Yet, they knew they wouldn''t be allowed to employ abuses within the U.S..

5. FBI headquarters FAILED to give clear directives to agents advising them how to respond.

6. Prosecutors won''t charge CIA or military intel because Pentagon is responsible for monitoring the treatment of prisons.

Mistakes:
1. That Justice would have authorized such methods.
2. That FBI didn''t stop it, when they knew it was wrong.
3. That FBI superiors didn''t support field agents.
4. That CIA/military intel employed torture.
5. That Justice now says we won''t hold FBI responsible for failing to stop torture, or the CIA responsible for doing it, because the Pentagon is responsible for prisoner care---and they let them do it, so by extention, it MUST be OKAY!
6. That Justice did this report which is a conflict-of-interest violation---or should be!

The next admin will have to set this correct, clearly it isn''t happening under the Bush administration!

futrrangr wrote:

"Whatever keeps America safe."

Then you support the trial of GW Bush and the other pieces of excrement known as "neo-cons"?

[billslm]

The treatment of al-Qahtani recently forced the government to drop the charges against him, because had the Pentagon proceeded with his military tribunal, all of the evidence of his treatment would be made public.

Surely you are joking! "...all the evidence of his treatment..." may have been suppressed but that does not make the Pentagon less guilty of War Crimes. What I hate more than anything about these toy soldiers, and yes, I have known more than a few top Pentagon brass, is how they like to torture people but pass the buck on accountability. Lyndie England is in jail because the brass found a scapegoat and somebody at the top said, "Let it go at that," to the press. The Main Stream Corporate Media was perfectly happy to put the crown thorns on Lyndie, because she was a grunt. And the cowardly chain of command simply kept their heads down and pointed their fingers at the grunt. Those are the proud Warriors who are keeping Amerika safe for you. May the Devil take you all!

[brianbwb-2009]

"It''''s their choice what happens to them, not ours and they are asking for agressive interrogation." Posted by futrrangr

So Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11, asked for an illegal invasion, based on lies? They asked to be kidnapped, "renditioned", tortured, raped, and murdered?

When did they make such a request, I don''t seem to remember it.

[brianbwb-2009]

"Still doesn''''t even come close to the tactics used by the insurgents. At least their''''s are still among the living. Not true for those of ours who get captured, we find them brutalized, mutilated, and dead. I feel no pity for these butchers." Posted by Edward1975

But it doesn''t occur to you that we have no business occupying them, or interfering militarily in their lands? Or that those who are caught are "enemy invaders", and most likely you would do the same were the circumstances to be reversed?

I remember when the Bush agitprop machine was stirring up the "hate kettle" even Sikh Indians (non Muslim, by the way) who were American citizens were assaulted and beaten by ignorant American savages simply because their traditional headdress is a turban. They had to ask Muhammad Ali to appeal for calm.

The neocons have a strange delusion that makes them forget that theirs is most often the original trespass, and that their victims should have no right to be angry.

[brianbwb-2009]

"Still doesn''''t even come close to the tactics used by the insurgents. At least their''''s are still among the living. Not true for those of ours who get captured, we find them brutalized, mutilated, and dead. I feel no pity for these butchers." Posted by Edward1975

But it doesn''t occur to you that we have no business occupying them, or interfering militarily in their lands? Or that those who are caught are "enemy invaders", and most likely you would do the same were the circumstances to be reversed?

I remember when the Bush agitprop machine was stirring up the "hate kettle" even Sikh Indians (non Muslim, by the way) who were American citizens were assaulted and beaten by ignorant American savages simply because their traditional headdress is a turban. They had to ask Muhammad Ali to appeal for calm.

The neocons have a strange delusion that makes them forget that theirs is most often the original trespass, and that their victims should have no right to be angry.

[edward1975-2009]

Still doesn''t even come close to the tactics used by the insurgents. At least their''s are still among the living. Not true for those of ours who get captured, we find them brutalized, mutilated, and dead. I feel no pity for these butchers.

[wogerwabbit]

"Whatever keeps America safe."
Posted by futrrangr

I see. So bending over and taking it up the a$$ for fascism is within your grasp of reality. What a good little nazi... er... I mean... godless, cowardly American you are. You shame us all and bring dishonor upon America and you''re proud of it. I will never understand the neocon mindset.

[wogerwabbit]

"The treatment of al-Qahtani recently forced the government to drop the charges against him, because had the Pentagon proceeded with his military tribunal, all of the evidence of his treatment would be made public."

This is America''s shame. I''m better than that... apparently a lot of you depraved, brain damaged f**kers aren''t. Then again, I fought for this country and have a perspective you ignorant pinheads with your G.I. Joe Doll experience just don''t comprehend. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I found God after Vietnam... you have no idea what a soldier goes through after the fact. I made excuses for my abhorrent behavior, justified it in my mind that to survive I had to be the meanest mofo in country and acted accordingly. A lot of my buddies died physically... I lived but died inside... a far worse fate, but one I don''t mourn. I''ve lived to see (so far) five grandchildren born (# six is in the oven) and I wouldn''t trade that away for any ***** life... or sadly enough, any of my buddies lives either. Through it all, I never lost the thought in my head that... WE... were the good guys. Today, I''m not so sure.

[mwilliamd2]

I have no problem with agressive interrogation of suspected and known terrorists. Maybe if they would face us in uniform with a country to back them then they wouldn''t have to worry about torture. Whatever keeps America safe. It''s their choice what happens to them, not ours and they are asking for agressive interrogation.

[p-syrus]

Prosecutors stopped far short of pursuing charges against interrogators, however, after concluding that the Pentagon was ultimately responsible for policing the treatment of al Qaeda detainees who were being held in military prisons.
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Chicken sh@t w@nkers.

Afraid to arrest Military General Staff for War Crimes.

[randynason]

I dare say: it takes more than one to "tango."