Comments on: Lawmakers Apologize To Rendition Victim

U.S. Officials Took Canadian To Damascus, Where He Says He Was Tortured And Held For A Year Without Charges

[gkc99]

"Republican Dana Rohrabacher also apologized, but said he would fight any efforts by Democrats to end the practice of extraordinary rendition, whereby terror suspects are grabbed by government agents and taken to another country where local authorities may torture confessions out of them. "


So Bushit, Darth and their thugs have turned the United States of America into a place where the secret police can seize you off the street with a secret warrant or with no warrant, kidnapping you to a foreign land where you are tortured by agents of the foreigners working in corrupt collusion with agents of this secret Bushit administration?

This appears to be more of an occupation of the USA of unConstitutional fascists than any recognizable administration under USA laws!

[missingamerica]

The only reason that I can guess that this Administration does the things they do is that it is a part of PNAC''s playbook: Maintain a large presence in S/W Asia and the Middle East.

Getting a global reputation for torturing and otherwise mistreating prisoners is not how you demonstrate you are in actuality really a "good guy".

All that it serves to teach the people of the rest of the world - and many Americans - is that our vaunted Constitution and Bill of Rights as well as our proclamation that "Democracy is the best form of goverment" are all just an increasingly threadbare cover for yet another kind of a banana republic dictatorship.

Perhaps we went to war simply because Cheney believed he could extend the power of the Executive Branch the most under those conditions, and we stay at war and do the best we can to keep other people at war with us simply because Cheney is, after all, a signer of PNAC''s guiding principles.

[abbe91]

Posted by abbe91

Bergen-elsen? you mean the one Bush''''s ideologial father Reagan wanted to visit to honor the dead Nazis? THAT Bergen-Belsen?

Likely so. But don''t forget Prescott Bush, doing business with a german company using work from Auschwitz.

[abbe91]

"willia451,
Thank you for the comment. Very well put."

Indeed ... torture is just a proof of incompetence.

http://people.msoe.edu/~meissned/pictures/demotivation/photos/photo_36.html

[brianbwb-2009]

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr,
der protestieren konnte.
-- Der Weg ins Freie, Martin NiemC6ller (F.M. Hellbach, Stuttgart, 1946)

Translation:
"When the Nazis arrested the Communists,
I said nothing; after all, I was not a Communist.
When they locked up the Social Democrats,
I said nothing; after all, I was not a Social Democrat.
When they arrested the trade unionists,
I said nothing; after all, I was not a trade unionist.
When they arrested the Jews,
I said nothing; after all, I was not a Jew.
When they arrested me, there was no longer anyone who could protest."

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by abbe91

Bergen-elsen? you mean the one Bush''s ideologial father Reagan wanted to visit to honor the dead Nazis? THAT Bergen-Belsen?

[abbe91]

"Not one of the concentration camps was in Germany.
Posted by jerryomara at 03:51 AM : Oct 19, 2007"

Even if I agree with you, you should rephrase this as
Not one of the most known concentration camps ...
there were about a dozen in Germany during the 30''s
and more during WWII, for example Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, Dora, Flossenburg ...

[feelfree1]

willia451,

Thank you for the comment. Very well put.

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jerryomara,

Re: "He is as stupid an anoying as his mother Babs the Quaker oats guy."

That was a beauty!

[jswilliams451]

Having been in counter intelligence in the military, I know for a fact there are many other ways for our country to gain the intel we need outside of torture. The vast majority of my colleagues refused to participate in such activities. They weren''t monsters like many in the media would portray.

The real monsters are those in our government that encourage good people to commit unconscionable and unnecessary acts in the name of national security.

Torture has to be off the table. It doesn''t work. Its unreliable. And it creates more enemies for us that it exposes. Plus, its just wrong.

And if anything, it makes the job of the intelligence gathering community just that much harder. No one wants to talk or help if they fear THEY might be the next to be siezed and tortured.

The whole debate over torture is just insane. We shouldn''t even be having it. Its wrong, it doesn''t work reliably, and it does more harm to us as a nation than good.

[brianbwb-2009]

Article: "Yes, we should be ashamed" of what happened in the case, Rohrabacher said. "That is no excuse to end a program which has protected the lives of hundreds of thousands if not millions of American lives."

Not only a flat out lie, but a statement of principal that the US government has no respect for international, or even its'' own laws.

You might as well say that Al Capone saved the world from illegal bootleggers.