Comments on: U.S. Govt. Blocks Lawyer Access To Gitmo

Citing New Ruling, Justice Dept. Prevents Attorneys From Seeing Clients At Guantanamo Bay

[speakinup]

"How little faith you have in your own country that you think a bunch of terrorists running around with AK''s and living in caves can defeat us so easily - Rafterman.

It is 9/23. Please try to remember about 9/11 at least a month each year.

Fact is, you don''t know anything about any of the prisoners in gitmo, do you ? You only know the retoric that''s been flying back and forth, and the guesses that the news media has made. If I''m wrong, tell me names and circumstances of people still there that were picked up off the streets.

As for Padilla - our own ''favorite son'' - he''s a convicted murder (when a ''youthful offender''), turned Islam while in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan as an adult; and, was fingered by Abu Zubaydah, a top Al Qaeda Lt as someone that was going to explode a dirty bomb. You are right, he should have been tried, and executed. I suspect his lawyer advised him it would be bast for him to go to Gitmo.

[rafterman1]

===raftermam...Thank-You a seed of intelligence in a sea of post to further there political belief or lack there of...Grew up in the sixties===

Thanks. Not to make you feel old, but I was BORN in the sixties :) What pi$$es me off is, people never seem to learn. Whenever our country breaks the law or even the spirit of the Constitution, we eventually realize it wasn''t necessary and future generations look back at shame on it. Lincoln suspending habeas corpus, the sedition acts of WWI and the internment of Japanese in WWII are all examples of overreacting to a threat and violating civil liberties. They are all also seen as black marks on our history - as will Gitmo in the future. Some people, the most reactionary in our population, never learn.

[Krazcarl]

raftermam...Thank-You a seed of intelligence in a sea of post to further there political belief or lack there of. Got on this to post yo pass some time AND discuss politics. Grew up in the sixties it was never this murky it was cut and dry. Appriciate disscusion not advocation. The funny thing is that most of these folks had no idea what was going on and they don''t now vert dangerous.

[rafterman1]

===When did foreign battlefield prisoners attain Constitutional rights? I''''m not asking what''''s right or wrong -- it''s a question.===

It''s more of a question of national honor as I don''t think there are specifics laid out in the Constitution for non-citizens. You might argue "no cruel or unusual punishment" covers everyone since it isn''t specific about citizenship.

There are also Geneva Convention rights involved. Plus, there are a lot of prisoners who weren''t picked up on the battlefield. For me personally, it''s the slippery slope question. For example, Josi Padilla was an American citizen who was arrested in Chicago. Before he finally got his trial, he spent a couple of years at Gitmo and was tortured - definitely against the Constitution. If they can make an exception for Padilla, then what''s to astop the government from making other exceptions of American citizens?

[rafterman1]

RingaDing3 said
===Thank God for President Bush who has the balls to protect this nation from the maniacs who would kill us all. The libs have given up the fight, we are all finished if the DemonCraps are elected to the Presidency.===

And who protects us from the Bush administration maniacs who are trying to protect us? How little faith you have in your own country that you think a bunch of terrorists running around with AK''s and living in caves can defeat us so easily that we have to resort to things like torture and secret prisons. Those are acts of a desperate country and America isn''t desperate.

[myidoncbs]

How many years have these poor people been locked away in Guantanamo, beaten and tortured? What could any of them possibly know about al Qaeda''s current plans? There is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION for doing this. The only reason they are still there is because that evil, brain-dead, monster, G.W. Bush, has to pretend that he''s "keeping us safe" by fighting his boogeymen.

The United States used to be a country of LAWS. Now it is a horribly repressive fascist state. It is ruled by conmen and madmen. They rule by FEAR, not by reason.

Bush has assumed the "right" to lock up ANYONE at ANYTIME, including YOU! That is the antithesis of democracy, and the return of the dark ages.

"Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration." - Frank Herbert

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - FDR

[tucano2]

Just what is the problem? Is the USA administration afraid its involvement will come out in open court?

[grumpas]

Thank God for President Bush who has the balls to protect this nation from the maniacs who would kill us all. The libs have given up the fight, we are all finished if the DemonCraps are elected to the Presidency.
Posted by RingADing3

Which maniac''s are you referring to ''dingy''? Saddam Hussein who had nothing to do with 9/11 and WMD''s???? Or Al Qaida whom Bush ignored as the perpetrator''s of 9/11 until a few showed up to fight in Iraq????? Now as far as the idiot (Bush) is concerned Sunni''s and Shiites are now Al Qaida! He doesn''t seem to have the intelligence to distinguish between the two. Maybe once a Democrat is elected we will have some normalcy restored to the Foreign Policy instead of the never ending chaos of the last 7 years! I hate to be the one to tell you ''dingy'' but you are as much of a nut case as Bush! You need to seek professional help with your problem!

[martin9p2]

When did foreign battlefield prisoners attain Constitutional rights? I''m not asking what''s right or wrong -- it''s a question.

[brianbwb-2009]

And Thompson is just another fear-monger who panders to the far right at the expense of liberty: "We live in a more dangerous (time of) things that threaten our very existence, things that threaten our peace, things that threaten our economic stability." - Thompson Posted by DefndLiberty

He is right, we are threatened by globalization pressuring our wages toward slave labor as US factories outsource, or simply relocate.

Foreign labor is allowed in, so below minimum wages are available, we are forced to work for substandard pay and conditions, or not at all.

The politicians and the war profiteers are embezzling our tax money, placing future generations in debt.

And Thompson, advocating the status quo, is just another item in the list of threats to our safety and stability.