Comments on: "Water Boarding" Banned In Interrogations

Method That Simulates Drowning Has Been Used On Several Al Qaeda Prisoners

[taotxzen]

Maybe you should look up ''Blackwater: The Rise of the World''s Most Powerful Mercenary Army'' they''re the ones that sent those guys over to Fallujah, they sent them under staffed and without enough protection into that hellhole and who are now refusing to pay benefits to the families of the fallen. Look at those picturs again and think about that.

[btree50]

You just made my point for me. No where did you say a word about what they have done to innocent people. The only fault you see is on our side. Believe me when I say there is fault on BOTH sides. Maybe you should look up the pictures of those bodies hanging from the bridge, but I guess in your eyes that is ok.

[formrusmcsgt]

Posted by scone47 at 01:53 AM : Sep 15, 2007

You are trying to compare terrorism to torture. It doesn''t wash.

[taotxzen]

By the way, which of the 14,000 detainees that the U.S. military is keeping beyond the reach of established law (see AP article) should we waterboard? Where do you draw the line? Who draws the line - an independent contractor? Wouldn''t you like to see that contract? I guess we could just send them to another country so that they can go to work on them. How many of those individuals will later be released once their "confessions" have been found to be inaccurate? Won''t they have some stories to tell!

Published on Sunday, September 17, 2006 by the Associated Press
U.S. War Prisons Legal Vacuum for 14,000
by Patrick Quinn

In the few short years since the first shackled Afghan shuffled off to Guantanamo, the U.S. military has created a global network of overseas prisons, its islands of high security keeping 14,000 detainees beyond the reach of established law.

Captured on battlefields, pulled from beds at midnight, grabbed off streets as suspected insurgents, tens of thousands now have passed through U.S. detention, the vast majority in Iraq.

Many say they were caught up in U.S. military sweeps, often interrogated around the clock, then released months or years later without apology, compensation or any word on why they were taken. Seventy to 90 percent of the Iraq detentions in 2003 were "mistakes," U.S. officers once told the international Red Cross.

[taotxzen]

If you think it is fine to waterboard suspected terrorist then why not use a drill on their head. Hey, that would get them singing like canaries! I know Saddam''s thugs were accused of that, and if it''s good enough for the terrorist....whoops, Saddam turned out not to be connected to the terrorist - Dang! But he liked torture too.

Anyway, the only thing I would recommend is that you not venture overseas, who knows maybe you get caught in the wrong country, run up on a few fellas that have had there heads drilled out or were waterboarded then latter released, they might hold a small grudge. Or maybe you have a chance encounter with the father of a captured Marine...

By the way does Israel utilize torture? Now there''s a country that is only 50 miles wide and for the most part surrounded by people wishing to push them into the sea. Hey, their situation is probably worse than ours! Maybe you should give ''em a call.

If you%u2019re thinking that we only waterboarded %u2018senior al Qaeda prisoners%u2019 remember what Bush said, %u2018we don%u2019t torture.%u2019, followed shortly by, %u2018Bush White House declares torture vital to US security policy.%u2019

[btree50]

My question about the "water boarding" is this, if that is torture, what do you call beheading people like Daniel Pearl, the burning of american soldier bodies and then hanging them from a bridge. People forget about what happened to these guys, and many more.
I am not saying its 100 percent right, but some times you have to fight fire with fire. The religious zealots fear very little especially us. They do not hesitate to cut off a head, knowing because of the american public, that will never happen to them. They have rights you know.

[taotxzen]

A handful of senior al Qaeda prisoners held by the Central Intelligence Agency in secret prisons, including Khalid Sheik Mohammed, were subjected to water boarding in an effort to get information about terror plots against the United States.

The technique has not been used against any prisoners in the last couple years. Ann Coulter is Smokin'' Hot, Bush deserves the Noble Peace Prize, Rush is a Moderate, Humanitarian, Cheney is just misunderstood, Iraq actually has WMD, it''s not about the oil or the 430 trillion dollar military defense industry...

[crater7]

NOW THEY HAVE GONE TOO FAR!

THEY DONE WENT AND TISSED OFF VEEP PREZ CHEEEEENNNYYYYYYYY.

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO KEEP ALL THOSE TERRORIST CLEAN, NO MORE DUNKING FOR APPLES.

STAY THE COURSE..............

[clew37]

The reason torture should not be used, as many people in the distant past finally realized(witch hunters, etc.) is that it us unreliable. People will say whatever it is you want to hear to stop it, even the truly innocent. How many people confessed to being witches, flying broomsticks, dancing with the devil, etc.? They call them witch-hunts folks.

[Krazcarl]

I''m surprised as a civilized society were even having a debate on torture. The terrible thing of 9/11 is that we have taken the low road out of of fear were not torturing Bin were torturing anyone who knew him.

[scone47]

Let me see if I get this straight?

For the US, torture is anything that would upset someone. Not anything that truly hurts them, not anything that causes them long-term pain and suffering, and certainly not anything that would kill them. And why would we "torture" anyone? To prevent attacks on our troups, our people and our country.

But let''s look at the other side''s view of torture... beatings and beheadings. And for what? To video tape and terrorize anyone that opposes them. To prove their commitment to inflict pain and suffering against the West.

Hmmmm, wonder which one is real torture?

[usayesterday]

"Other coercive techniques -- such as stress positions and sleep deprivation -- can still be used."

And some consider that (mentioned above) as "torture". So what is "torture"? Many define it differently because "torture" is a subjective term.

My ex-girlfriend thought I tortured her when I wouldn''t stop at every antique store that we passed by on a road trip..... EVERY ANTIQUE STORE! That''s torture?!

Well, my torture is over... because I''m over her!

:-)

[donnie900]

I kinda looked at this issue like an iceberg. That if they were telling us that they were running water down their faces hanging them upsidedown, that it was like just the tip of the iceberg. That the public admission meant alot more was going on. And you can''t watch a television series like 24 and not get to wondering who the bad guys are. Even Robert De Niro in that movie Ronin said that "everybody has a breaking point".

So I guess my point is, is that maybe this isn''t so much a conceding as it is a relieving, the way washington often does. They tell us lies to make us feel good. But I sincerely doubt that there are any interrogators, even rational ones out there, who don''t use torture in their tactics. Sincerely.

And I also sincerely doubt that any other country out there, western or not, doesn''t either.

[sgtrds]

A glimmer of hope for rationality and International law?

Posted by Nearl4511 at 10:28 PM : Sep 14, 2007

Sadly probably not. Even thought they say they aren''t going to water-board any more, the also said they never tortured in the first place. They lie so often and ignore the law even more often that I''m not sure that even they know what the difference is any longer.

[sgtrds]

Waterboarding is for woosies. Gimme a car battery and a couple of wet sponges in the crotch and I''''ll get you a handwritten confession every time.

Posted by Nancy_Naive at 11:35 PM : Sep 14, 2007

Now if we can just get you a pass into the presidents private quarters....of course Jeff Gannon might have been even rougher on him during one of their sessions..........

;-)

[j-whitman]

Bush says our troops can come home..... I''d crack up if they all bought thier own tickets & left

[kansas1946]

The technique has not been used against any prisoners in the last couple years. Other coercive techniques -- such as stress positions and sleep deprivation -- can still be used.
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How about treating prisoners with decency and respect. Gee, you might just win a few hearts and change a few minds.

[kansas1946]

"...which torture methods are still on the "go" list for the Bush regime?"

Waiting for January, 2009......
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Posted by actornaught at 10:52 PM : Sep 14, 2007
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LOL. Have you ever noticed that liberals and moderates have a sense of humor (even in the worst of times) and conservatives don''t? That was funny, naughtyactor!

[kansas1946]

Oh, thank God that this hideous practice is at least banned in theory. I am sure a few sadists will still try to use it, but at least we don''t have to explain to the free world why we are allowing it in the open. Bush and his whole gang are evil, pure and simple. Maybe the reign of terror, torture, and destruction of civil liberties is finally over.

[actornaught]

"...which torture methods are still on the "go" list for the Bush regime?"

Waiting for January, 2009......