Comments on: 2 Egyptians Face Terror Charges In S.C.

Pipe Bombs Found In Car Of Students Near Navy Base, Claimed Were Fireworks

[undermyboot]

"If you are innocent you have nothing to fear."

Saturday! Off to Home Depot. Garden needs fertilizer. Need 50 gals diesel for the ol'' backup gen. Hurricane season. Driving, your buddy calls. He''s back from a Europe trip with the wife- a great time & even made a side trip to ancient Petra in Jordan. He had a hard time getting hold of you. You explain that your phone was stolen, so you''re using a temporary throwaway. You say, "Hey, let''s hit the range! I just bought this beautiful high power rifle for the 1000 yard competition."

At Homeland Security, an alert pops up. Someone bought lots of diesel & fertilizer. Mix the two and- boom. He also bought a throwaway cell phone, as terrorists are known to do. ATF reports he bought a high power rifle. NSA "relationships" software shows this person has contact with someone who just came back from the middle-east. His grandparents were from Jordan! Hmmm.

Your boss receives a visit from the FBI. "Sorry sir, we can''t tell you exactly why we are investigating (your name). It''s a national security matter. You understand that, under the Patriot Act, you cannot tell (__) anything about our questions. Now tell us what kind of American (__) is?" There goes your promotion & maybe your job. You''ll never know why. Similar things happen at your bank (forget that loan), with your friends & family (why are they acting strange?), your doctor, your NRA buddies, your kids'' school,... But hey, nothing to worry about ''cause you did nothing wrong. Right morons?

[donbl1]

Another lucky catch.

Lucky because they were either spotted and pulled over by profiling (police "said" they were speeding) or they really were speeding and the car was searched and it had to be with permission......

Another reason to limit middle east grad students who are way to prevalent at universities too lazy to recruit Americans or other nationalities.

[cfin5]

Yep! I guess you could call them (wink)"fireworks". So why did they wait a whole month after Independence Day to celebrate with them? Never seen any like the articles description on display at the fireworks store......Put them away for good.

[nggr]

Because you got an aircraft carrier that can slaughter thousands at a time that makes you what?
Posted by zootallures2 at 05:23 PM : Aug 31, 2007

it makes us the most bada$$ motherf*ckers on the block.
recognize

[cbs_oliver]

You need to be careful, ToolMangler!

You seem to be giving instruction on how to make bombs there.

You just better watch it!

[mo005]

CBS_Oliver: Aren''t you gonna finish telling the kids how much of what so they can make them too.

[cbs_oliver]

Here''s what one source reported:

"In the vehicle, investigators say they found potassium chlorate and sugar, which when combined with a catalyst create what has been dubbed "instant fire" releasing heat, flames and smoke in a spectacular fashion. As a result, they are used in making fireworks and as a fuel for model rockets.

In addition a can of gasoline, PVC pipe, four hobby store brand rocket launchers and hobby store brand fuses were found, investigators said. The four PVC pipes contained an unknown substance."

Considering that the Justice department has recently been systematically deceitful but nevertheless successful in getting convictions I will wait to see what a jury decides.

I wonder though if it is even possible to get a fair trial for a Muslim in the US charged with any terror related crime. If you are in the jury and you find a Muslim charged with terrorism innocent won''t you get killed by some "kill them all and ask questions later" kook - like those who post hate speach on these boards. At least some of these nuts are probably crazy enough to do something. Who on a jury would want to take the chance?

[mo005]

It is a shame that we can''t trust any one that looks different from ourselves. I don''t think we ever will be able to at the rate we are going. I feel sorry for what the next gens are in for. This world is a basket case and always will be as long as hate lives amongst us. I want to get along with others but then I or someone else mess''s it up and there we are again with hate and mistrust. I guess it sucks to be us. These Egyptians aren''t helping any cause other than to fuel even more distrust and hate. I hate to say it but I wish those people over there would just blow themselves up and get it done with. thats all they want is to kill each other anyways.

[cbs_oliver]

I think the same way as you do about the foolishness of these guys, speakinup. If they had any sense they would have gone back to Egypt and not have been driving through the hate state with even so much as a pack of matches.

I read the info about the materials they may have had or not had in a SC newspaper article.

This CBS/AP story really doesn''t have much info in it about the original facts - it''s a "like he said" update kinda article. It dutefully reports as fact the "pipe bomb" assertion without reporting or evaluating the facts underlying the assertion.

The SC story of a few days ago had more supposed facts regarding the hardware. Based on that info it seemed these guys could very well be into fireworks like they claimed.

If they happen to be against the war as well that doesn''t make them terrorists - although it sure makes them foolish.

[libsluvsuvs]

Posted by zootallures2 at 05:30 PM : Aug 31, 2007
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these ''terrorists'' are often called your neighbors..people that you seem to have no problem living with. enjoying the very same system that caused this so called terrorist acts..THE ONLY DIFFERENCE HERE is that this terrorist gives you the right to get the fu*ck out of here if you dont like it and NOT fu*ck you in the arse and then BEHEAD YOU.

your still here??

[magoo2u1]

First, we should find out what they actually had on them. Gun powder or pipe bombs ? If they actually made pipe bombs, you should count your blessings they were stupid enough to speed.
If criminals weren''t so stupid we wouldn''t need jails.

[zootallures2]

You are terrorsist your self. Because you got an aircraft carrier that can slaughter thousands at a time that makes you what? Soon you gonna have the private corporate military of Black Water. What are they for? Make us all upgrade our computers at gun point when sales are low?

[pakaal]

frankly6 wrote: "Didn''t these terrorists get the Republican talking points? See...we''re fighting them in Iraq so that they don''t come here."

Was going to post this exact same comment! Seriously, that talking point has to be one of the least-thought-out of a whole bunch of ''em.

[zootallures2]

Yea, but be honest. Could this car bomb cause any wheres near the damage the loonies of world militaries have caused by thousands of nuclear bomb tests? Chernobyl? What difference did that make when you set off thousands on purpose? Cancer, Autism.... mercury my arse. It''s you wakos in camo!

[frankly6]

Wait a minute. This can''t be. Didn''t these terrorists get the Republican talking points? See...we''re fighting them in Iraq so that they don''t come here. I''m sure these two just didn''t get the memo.

[libsluvsuvs]

Posted by secundus2 at 04:15 PM : Aug 31, 2007
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AP) Two Egyptian students attending a university in Florida were indicted Friday for carrying explosive materials across state lines, and one of them was charged with teaching the other how to use them for violent reasons.


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its in the works sir..its in the pipeline. it is not like we simply behead these people. Justice is coming for them..Just like what the liberals had ordered..*wink* and rest the liberal masses are fighting to assure that every enemy combatant caught will be brought to trial by jury.

[zilla76]

There is more to this than the national news networks are reporting. I live in the Tampa area and the local news has more details....they have ties to al-Arian and his so called Islamic charity.
www.tbo.com is one source for the details not being presented by the national press. I fought in Desert Storm and my son just got out of the Army after 2 Afghan tours and 3 Iraq tours. I don''t trust any of them from first hand experience, and neither does he for the same reasons. Just my 2 cents worth.

[nggr]

Megehed? sounds like something godzilla would fight!

Godzilla Vs. Megehed

Not to defend these a-holes, as i think any "national" even suspected of this behaivior should be kicked out of the country as fast as possible, but I was arrested one time for an unpaid fine after i was pulled over for having a taillight out and I had a torque wrench drum key that a freind had gotten from his sponser, evans, the cops tried everything they could to turn it into a CRACKPIPE.
seriously, 20 min was spent on denying my claim (the fact) that it was a drum key and injecting a false claim of theirs that it was a crackpipe.
everybody knows crackpipes are made of glass anyways.LOL
regardless, the cop saying the explosives were nor for showy fireworks doesn''t mean that much to me. but they should be kicked out of the country or arrested and brought up on terrorism charges. this i agree with.

[speakinup]

CBS_Oliver

If two Egyptian students are stupid enough to be carrying gunpower from fireworks around in the trunk of their car in a nation that is hyper-sensitive about terrorists - they deserve whatever happens to them.

And, just where in this article did you, "read that these guys had no metal for making pipe bombs in their car and the chemicals they had were only suitable for showy flash and bang. I think they had some PVC which doesn''''t seem suitable for a pipe bomb."

And, even if they didn''t have metal pipes - are we going to set the president of letting terrorists carry bomb making elements around the country and assemble them at the blast site ? For pete sake, next thing you know terrorist lawyers will be arguing using this as a means of getting someone carrying C4 off.

Hey - 8 year olds are kicked out of school for bringing in toy soldiers. These guys will be lucky to leave the country persona-non-gratis if you ask me.

[toolmangler-2009]

Posted by CBS_Oliver at 03:54 PM : Aug 31, 2007


You can burn T_n_T if you put it in a pile on the ground, the same thing with dinomite and it will not explode, but if you confine it in a device like a pip_e, PV_C or otherwise it will expl_ode. Its all in the packaging.
BTW. flammable vapors (gas,gasoline, kerosene,Turpentine) act the same way.