Comments on: Court Rebuffs Bush On Enemy Combatants

Rules U.S. Can't Detain U.S. Resident Accused Of Terror Ties Without Charging Him

[formrusmcsgt]

"The President has made clear that he intends to use all available tools at his disposal to protect Americans from further al Qaeda attack, including the capture and detention of al Qaeda agents who enter our borders"...

The President, like the rest of us, is only allowed to use means that are legal.

This administration has shown time and time again that it holds itself to be above the law and above our Constitution as well.

[brianbwb-2009]

to Mcvet,

You tell 'em, Bro. Don't forget to define rebellion, Al Qaeda, not being American, cannot be a rebellion. If you believe that Al Qaeda is anything other than a CIA construct, then they are resisting hegemonic control over their own "area", not in the US.

As for invasion, it is the US that is the invading party, exactly the opposite of the situation described in the constitution.

[searingtruth]

"SearingTruth; I HAVE MISSED YOUR INSITE IN THESE BLOGS. IT IS A LIGHT THAT MOST OF THE KOOLAID DRINKERS CANT SEE! KEEP POSTING."
bluestardad


Thank you fellow patriot, but it is not my insight that you are attracted to, it is yours, and the insight of millions of other patriotic Americans. I only verbalize it as best as I can.

Our founding fathers fought and died, and created the government we had before Dictator Bush, because they so loved and believed in individual Americans like you.

They did not create it for the rich, the poor, the beautiful, the ugly, the eloquent, or the illiterate.

As you know fellow citizen, they created it for all of us. And they left it for all of us to protect, or abandon, together.

bluestardad, and all patriotic Americans, please know this. The confidence, assurance, and direction you seek from a leader already exists within yourselves, and our Constitution.

The truth is that a leaders time is most often short.

But that doesn't matter. You, and the millions of other patriotic Americans like you, do. Believe in yourselves. Stay true to your conscience. And always value compassion and humanity above all else. The compassion and humanity embraced by our beloved Constitution.

If you do this I promise you will prevail, against all evil.
ST

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[mcvet]

isnt the right to bear arms a constitutional right??liberals wants to take my right to bear arms...isnt that liberals wiping thier agenda's arse with the constitution??
Posted by xzavierbrown at 10:01 PM : Jun 11, 2007

Typical Fascist! This is a LIE you moron. No one want's to take you gun UNLESS you are a one of the wacked out Nazi groups. A lot of folks want to control the NUMBER of guns and how they are bought and sold, that's a real and honest debate we should be having. But Fascist see a chance to scare some simple minded MORON's like this into following them so they use it. It's disgusting and as FASCIST as the Third Reich ever was. Sieg Heil Y'all.

[ahrats]

Finally the court of the U.S. is making a president out of a king. The president and the A.G. has been steping all over the constitution in name of terrorism. Before this ruling any U.S. citizen could be held indefinatly just by the government calling them an enemy combatant. Good for you Judge Motz for up holding the constitution. The AMF law is unconstitutional since it gives the military, police powers out side their military bases not intened in the constitution. I would consider being a member of Al Qaeda should be reason enough to arrest someone but you need proof that were doing or intending on doing illeagal acts. Should congress consider passing a law making it illeagal to be a member of Al Qaeda, guilt by association, therefore can be arrested and charged for seducious acts against the U.S.

[mcvet]

Those Judges should read the Constitution. It gives two exceptions to the Right of Habeas Corpus. Rebellion and invasion. If an American going over to Al Queda doesn't fit one of those circumstances, what on earth does?
Posted by kesac4650 at 10:29 PM : Jun 11, 2007

Now stick with me here swastika breath... the WHOLE idea of the Constitution is that the Government MUST PROVE THE CLAIMS against you.. the cat was NEVER charged with anything. All we have here is the word of a man who has killed THOUSANDS of American's based of PURE LIES!! I can not for the life of me understand you cowardly Fascist. You NEVER and I mean NEVER support or defend the rights in our Constitution. Can anyone EVER remember a time when these clowns have NOT been trying to take away rights? Sieg Heil Y'all.

[bluestardad]

SearingTruth; I HAVE MISSED YOUR INSITE IN THESE BLOGS. IT IS A LIGHT THAT MOST OF THE KOOLAID DRINKERS CANT SEE! KEEP POSTING.

[searingtruth]

"... Hitler was furious with the outcome of this trial. He decreed that henceforth treason - among many other offenses - would only be tried by a newly established Volksgerichtshof (People's Court) which later became infamous for the enormous number of death sentences it handed down while led by Roland Freisler."
abbe7


Indeed fellow patriot, just as Dictator Bush has demanded his own courts, who deal only with those already "convicted".

But remember, despite the choking fear and stench of death, the truth of Hitlers time survived, and so will the truth of Bush.

Patriots such as you will assure that. Thank you.
ST


"He [King George] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred right of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither."
Thomas Jefferson, deleted portion of a draft of the Declaration of Independence, June, 1776

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[abbe7]

From wikipedia about the Reichstag fire trial ...

"In July 1933, Marinus van der Lubbe, Ernst Torgler, Georgi Dimitrov, Blagoi Popov, and Vassili Tanev were indicted on charges of setting the Reichstag on fire. The Leipzig Trial took part from September 21 to December 23, 1933, and was presided over by judges from the old German Imperial Court, called the Reichsgericht. The presiding judge was Judge Dr. Wilhelm B|rger of the Fourth Criminal Court of the Fourth Penal Chamber of the Supreme Court[2]. The accused were charged with arson, and attempting to overthrow the government.
The Leipzig Trial was widely publicized and was broadcast on the radio. It was expected the court would find the Communists guilty on all counts and approve the repression and terror exercised by the Nazis against all opposition forces in the country.
(details of trial skipped to get to the conclusion ...)
Only Van Der Lubbe was found guilty and sentenced to death. The rest were acquitted, and with exception of Torgler, who was taken into %u201Cprotective custody" by the Gestapo after the trial, were expelled to the Soviet Union, where they received a hero's welcome. Hitler was furious with the outcome of this trial. He decreed that henceforth treason %u2013 among many other offenses %u2013 would only be tried by a newly established Volksgerichtshof (People's Court) which later became infamous for the enormous number of death sentences it handed down while led by Roland Freisler."

[abbe7]

"Have you ever noticed that if you draw Mickey Mouse ears on Hitler during his speeches about preemptively attacking other countries to protect Germany he looks exactly like George Bush during his speeches about preemptively attacking other countries to protect America? (OK, so you don't really need the ears)."
ST

You could not be more right. Pro Iraq war people always compare it with WW2. They just fail to grasp the basics: check who was the invader (in chief) in each case ...

Hitler used the Reichstag fire (his 911 if you wish) as a pretext to get the parliament passing (and von Hindenburg signing) an "enabling" act (aka known as "patriot" act nowadays) giving him full powers to protect his people from the "communist conspiracy".
Hitler invaded Bohemia to "protect" german minorities living there. He then invaded Poland, France, etc ...

Another interesting fact which might lead to interesting comparisons: the Reichstag fire trial that the nazis wanted to show that the fire was a deed of the Comintern (from wikipedia) ...

[searingtruth]

"Have you ever noticed that if you draw Mickey Mouse ears on Hitler during his speeches about preemptively attacking other countries to protect Germany he looks exactly like George Bush during his speeches about preemptively attacking other countries to protect America? (OK, so you don't really need the ears)."
ST


"The problem with truth, if you%u2019re evil, is that you can't fight it."
SearingTruth

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[afinefolly]

' ... if kids age five and less absorb 99 plus % of all spankings and are 99 plus % more likely to suffer injury or death as a result, does that make each age six or more an enemy combatant? ... '

[searingtruth]

"Looks like the GOP can't even defeat Al-Qaeda in court. And they want us to believe they can protect us from them."
Smirk5


Indeed, instead of protecting us from terrorists Bush and his henchmen have done everything they can to make us just like them.
ST


"The Republican Party is the first political party in American history that proudly and boldly attempted to abolish the Constitution of the United States of America.

And they succeeded.

Under their heinous reign American freedom died, without a whimper.

It is time to reclaim it.

With a roar."
SearingTruth

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[smirk5]

Looks like the GOP can't even defeat Al-Qaeda in court. And they want us to believe they can protect us from them.

[searingtruth]

"Those Judges should read the Constitution. It gives two exceptions to the Right of Habeas Corpus. Rebellion and invasion. If an American going over to Al Queda doesn't fit one of those circumstances, what on earth does?"
- Posted by kesac4650 at 10:29 PM : Jun 11, 2007

A one man rebellion ?

There are always people committing acts like that. Do you want a permanent elimination of Habeas Corpus ?

You should read the Constitution. Congress decides if and when to suspend Habeas Corpus, not the President. Lincoln was in violation of the clear language of the Constitution when he did it.

That "Rebellion and Invasion" clause is found in the section of the Constitution limiting the powers of Congress.

You want one all powerful individual, the President, making that call ? Then kiss your American rights and liberties goodbye, because the next Julius Caesar will have taken over.
Iceman_1960


Oh my goodness Iceman_1960. You are one extraordinary American. Awesome defense of our Constitution, our principals, and our people.

Thank you.
ST


"The problem with truth, if you%u2019re evil, is that you can't fight it."
SearingTruth

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[brianbwb-2009]

You can discuss the merits or problems with gun control all you want, but it is more important to ask what happens when the "decider" decides to invade your home, kidnap and torture your kids, and put you in jail without trial? Would you use your precious legal gun to resist? Then you are called an "enemy combatant" and therefore have no rights. This is what Bush has created.

Skip the useless bickering and trolling as to who is more right wing than who, it is time we all discuss and take actions to get this nut and his mob out of the white house now. You may be his next target people...

[kansas1946]

"isnt the right to bear arms a constitutional right??liberals wants to take my right to bear arms...isnt that liberals wiping thier agenda's arse with the constitution?? Posted by xzavierbrown at 10:01 PM : Jun 11, 2007"
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Although I think the tone here is a little childish, I agree with you xz. Because I detest Bush and strongly agree with this habius corpus ruling, you will probably think I am one of thos "liberals." But I strongly agree with you on the second amendment. I believe fully that the founding fathers meant we the people have the right to be armed, and this is a lot of justification for that belief in the writings of those founding fathers, above and beyond the constitution. I get very annoyed at people ignoring the 2nd amendment when defending the other rights and safeguards in the constitution. So liberal I may be, but I do support all of the amendments in the bill of rights! :O)

[iceman_1960]

"Congress decides if and when to suspend Habeas Corpus, not the President. You want one all powerful individual, the President, making that call ?"

Particularly George W. Bush, our Beverly Hillbilly president who doesn't know enough to address the Pope properly in an official meeting ?

"Sir," he called him. (He must have mistaken him for the butler.)

I don't want Jethro Clampett deciding such important matters.

[feelfree1]

Re: "The Bush administration cannot use new anti-terrorism laws to keep U.S. residents locked up indefinitely without charging them"

Our illegitimate puppet-Fuhrer (heil), is not going to like this...

[iceman_1960]

"Those Judges should read the Constitution. It gives two exceptions to the Right of Habeas Corpus. Rebellion and invasion. If an American going over to Al Queda doesn't fit one of those circumstances, what on earth does?"
- Posted by kesac4650 at 10:29 PM : Jun 11, 2007

A one man rebellion ?

There are always people committing acts like that. Do you want a permanent elimination of Habeas Corpus ?

You should read the Constitution. Congress decides if and when to suspend Habeas Corpus, not the President. Lincoln was in violation of the clear language of the Constitution when he did it.

That "Rebellion and Invasion" clause is found in the section of the Constitution limiting the powers of Congress.

You want one all powerful individual, the President, making that call ? Then kiss your American rights and liberties goodbye, because the next Julius Caesar will have taken over.