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[notblue]

j-whitman, I love the cigarette thing, too funny! Please tell us what high explosives do to jet fuel?? What a moron you are, hello! the fireball could be seen from very far away and many lives would be lost along with a terrible disruption to the airline industry, wake up and smell the jet fuel so to speak. What if any signififcance does your cigarette thing have????

[j-whitman]

notblue,, No doubt terrorism is a major threat, but even more of a threat is this administration blowing it out of proportion & lying to Americans about it ---- You can put a ciggerette out in JP5, most of the fuel piping at JFK is under ground..

[radiob-2009]

Perhaps you missed this Jimibear and it is from wikipedia


JET A-1
Flash point: 38 0C
Autoignition temperature: 210 0C
Freezing point: -47 0C (-40 0C for JET A)
Open air burning temperatures: 260-315 0C (500-599 0F)
Maximum burning temperature: 980 0C (1796 0F)
Density at 15 0C (60 0F): 0.775-0.840


Read this Jimibear

http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/MannyHerraResponse.htm

[notblue]

Jimibear, you also only respond to parts of my statements, again, if you were to actually recognize and legitimize the threat of terrorism what validity would your opinions have? From my perspective NONE.

[jimibear]

Yes, notblue, I did attack your spelling skills - please, however, note my earlier post (which you conveniently ignored). Attacking your spelling was not "all I had"; it was simply all I had which you felt you could respond to.

[jimibear]

Sorry, radiob - suggesting you might be lying was rude. I maintain you are wrong, though: the melting point of steel you cite is incorrect.

And, I see, so is mine - I meant 2,750 F, not 27,500 - oops! But in any case - the hottest temp aviation fuel can reach is still about 400 degrees Celsius below the melting point of steel.

There were actual pools of re-solidified molten metal at ground zero. If a fire manages to overcome the heat resistant properties of steel, raising that steels temperature to 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit, the steel will melt. If the fire fails to raise the steel's temperature to 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit, the steel will not melt. (Keep in mind, we're not talking about the temperature at which steel weakens and loses its structural integrity, we're talking about the temperature at which it is reduced to a molten state.)

Again, we call on common sense to answer a simple question: Under what circumstances can temperatures less than 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit reduce steel to a molten state? The answer is: Under no circumstances.




To date, nobody has suggested the fires on 9/11 reached temperatures of 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit. Perhaps that is because, just as steel has a maximum temperature it can withstand before it melts, fuel sources have a maximum temperature at which they can burn. NONE of the known fuel sources burning on 9/11 could have reached the required temperature to melt steel.

[radiob-2009]

The old saying "there's one born every minute" comes to mind.Have any of these conspiracy theorist ever worked with explosives, steel(in the molding & shaping process) ever been inside a fire and witnessed all of the other elements that ignite and explode? Perhaps they need to pay a visit to ARMCO and watch the process or DOW chemical and see how volatile these ingredients are.

[notblue]

jimibear, what a hoot, I have a real job and only have a few seconds to type my comments so you will have to put up with the spelling and the rest. It's greta when all you got is a diatribe on my typing and spelling skills. HA!HA!HA!

[notblue]

Aviation fuel burns violently and hot , it does not have to be under pressure. I have been through a course on crash fire rescue at the Minneapolis/St.Paul International airport, they have a partial fuselage in a diked pool of jet fuel they ignite. We used light water foam to smother the fire. Even after almost totally extinguishing the fire it can move around the foam film and reignite. To say Jet fuel is not dangerous shows the extent of illusion and lies you people are willing to go to minimize this attempt at terror. Not only did we NEED the silver suites but two mobile water cannons were on hand just in case. The heat was intense!

[golfkt]

The steel doesn't need to burn...The steel just needs to be weakened. The primary structural components were damaged/destroyed. The crash left too much additional load on the remaining columns. If you understood how the trade center was constructed, the conspiracy theoristes would stop their nonsense. The outer shell was also part of the load bearing process and that was severely damaged.