It is interesting, albeit sad, to see the comments of the men here attempting to justify gender discrimination.
It reminds me so much of all the excuses used to try to justify racial discrimination. Everybody "knew" that Negros were of inferior intelligence, were lazy and didn't work as hard, etc., etc., etc.
If women really earn 77 cents to the dollar for the same work as men, then how can a business compete by hiring men at any level? Wouldn't all businesses hire only women if everything else was the same, and women really do work for less money?
I would like to trutwin and the world war II workers and what was done to them. Many of these women had true freedom and real lives for the first time ever. And what happened after the war, they lost their jobs and their lives and many of them their sanity. Do you ever wonder about rampant female alcoholism in the 50's or the use of librium. To me this is where the seeds of feminism were sown, mothers raising daughters to never ever let this happen again.
I am a retired engineer and the only place I did not face wage discrimination was the years I worked in civil service. That is because wage increases as long as you do a good job are the same for everyone. Now there were other discrimination on getting to a position. This is because of civil service rules that give managers very little leeway once a promotion is made. Private industry is completely different. My first job out of college I was paid $50 a week less than the males that were hired. I knew a lady maybe 15 years older than me that had spent 7 years as a junior engineer (lowest rank) she had trained countless men to watch them promoted over her. That was changing because of your so called "leftist feminists". But it still hasn't completely changed. If you look at the statistics no matter what the profession men make more than women, whether it is a store clerk or an engineer. Even as far as we've come, we have only managed to hack a nickle an hour off that gap since the 70's. And even to hold that a woman in the "male" professions still has to work twice as hard.
I am a retired engineer and the only place I did not face wage discrimination was the years I worked in civil service. That is because wage increases as long as you do a good job are the same for everyone. Now there were other discrimination on getting to a position. This is because of civil service rules that give managers very little leeway once a promotion is made. Private industry is completely different. My first job out of college I was paid $50 a week less than the males that were hired. I knew a lady maybe 15 years older than me that had spent 7 years as a junior engineer (lowest rank) she had trained countless men to watch them promoted over her. That was changing because of your so called "leftist feminists". But it still hasn't completely changed. If you look at the statistics no matter what the profession men make more than women, whether it is a store clerk or an engineer. Even as far as we've come, we have only managed to hack a nickle an hour off that gap since the 70's. And even to hold that a woman in the "male" professions still has to work twice as hard.
It can't possibly be that there are actual differences in the genders, right? Nooooo, that is sexist to even suggest. But then look at TimeToEvolve's statement above. He/she claims that women should be paid more for various reasons. If the world disagrees, is it therefore appropriate for men to be paid more?
The fact is that women should be paid MORE than men, not less. They are far smarter, more emotionally stable (less macho testosterone) and by nature more caring and nurturing. There would not be wars for oil going on all over the world. Family, public education and social services would come first, not corporate profits and imperial military "defense".
It is soooo easy to fudge these statistics. Drawing conclusiions from simple gender wage comparisons is totally bogus. The numbers must be normalized for a wide array of demographic differences to draw any valid conclusion. For example, a filing clerk is inherently going to be paid less than an engineer. Does that mean there is wage descrimination? No.
Except that the facts speak for themselves. You must be a firm father figure conservative. Women are weaker so they are by definition evil and must be disciplined. By force of necessary. And since I am the father (male) and stronger and thus good, I am always right.
...and remember, that GAO study the author touts was limited by the parameters defined by those who requested it...GAO studies are never full spectrum analyses. While there might-possibly-could-potentially be-sorta-kinda be pay for work discrimination at some companies, those employers who take that route do so at their own peril...Law being what it is just the allegation of gender-based pay discrimination could -- and often does -- result in huge litigation expenses for the accused employer that the employer cannot recoup even when the company wins the case.
The real answer lies dead-center in the facts the feminist Left dismisses: women who choose career over the 'I can have it all' track earn as much or more as their male counterparts provided they stay current with the state-of-the-art of their occupation; get the appropriate training - which generally comes from out-of-pocket, after-hours attendance at graduate and professional schools; show absolute dedication to the company and its goals (become fully acculturated in the company's culture); and produce results on the job.
Remember: a salary or wage is a productivity investment by the employer, not an entitlement.
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It reminds me so much of all the excuses used to try to justify racial discrimination. Everybody "knew" that Negros were of inferior intelligence, were lazy and didn't work as hard, etc., etc., etc.
While there might-possibly-could-potentially be-sorta-kinda be pay for work discrimination at some companies, those employers who take that route do so at their own peril...Law being what it is just the allegation of gender-based pay discrimination could -- and often does -- result in huge litigation expenses for the accused employer that the employer cannot recoup even when the company wins the case.
The real answer lies dead-center in the facts the feminist Left dismisses: women who choose career over the 'I can have it all' track earn as much or more as their male counterparts provided they stay current with the state-of-the-art of their occupation; get the appropriate training - which generally comes from out-of-pocket, after-hours attendance at graduate and professional schools; show absolute dedication to the company and its goals (become fully acculturated in the company's culture); and produce results on the job.
Remember: a salary or wage is a productivity investment by the employer, not an entitlement.