Comments on: No "Respect" in Obama's Gay Rights Record

The New Republic: Although the President Granted Some Rights to Same-Sex Partners of Fed Employees, It's Not Enough

[sj44]

By the way homosexuality is not genetic. Just check out Discover magazine June 2007. This is proof positive that there is no homosexual gene.

[sj44]

Wow, CBSNEWS will permit a comment from a pro homosexual blogger deriding a religious group and thus creating a double standard based on their own rules of engagement! Yet I cannot say anything concerning the homosexual agenda wow real freedom of speech.

[speakinup22]

Sad but true - I've seen it happen.

But, that is what happens when you get a liberal bias media.

[ffoulkes-2009]

Equal rights means I won't stop a gay man from marrying any woman he chooses and who chooses him too...same with gay woman marrying a man...anything beyond that is extra.

[Yeah-Me]

A marriage can also be between two consenting adults who are of the same sex. Once people can let go of their religiously biased conceptions about the matter, and seperate those from their belief that these definitions should color how our laws should be interpreted, only then can we really start seeing some civil rights equalities being shared amongst ALL americans.

Until then, my own perceptions of our great nation will pretty much equate to being a third world nation when it comes to equality for all of its people.

[armyoftwelve]

A marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman. Anyone can marry anyone else...as long as it is to a member of the opposite gender.

The president was nice to offer a olive branch to the sodomy crowd but he is going to find that it won't be enough. He shouldn't have bothered. It may have been nice but it was not the right thing to do when this country is faced with SO many serious problems that affect ALL AMERICANS.

Frankly the new republic isn't what it used to be sine the Phillip Glass episode. Does anyone really care what ink is wasted there??

[Yeah-Me]

A marriage can also be between two consenting adults who are of the same sex. Once people can let go of their religiously biased conceptions about the matter, and seperate those from their belief that these definitions should color how our laws should be interpreted, only then can we really start seeing some civil rights equalities being shared amongst ALL americans.

Until then, my own perceptions of our great nation will pretty much equate to being a third world nation when it comes to equality for all of its people.

[Yeah-Me]

Beautifully stated caeric.

[caeric]

We are doctors and teachers, service members and law enforcement personnel, paramedics, firefighters, counselors, coaches... the list goes on. Many of us are less visible than our more flamboyant brothers and sisters. You don't notice us as often because we live our lives the same way most Americans do - working, spending time with friends and family, and trying to make our lives and those of the people around us better.

We, too, are affected by this inequality. We fight this fight in our own way, often much more quietly, in the same way that most Americans quest for positive change. We are no less compassionate, no less determined, but we have chosen a different path towards equality. We hope for a better and more just tomorrow.

Generalization is treacherous ground. As with the generalization about who we are, the generalization about ?centuries of conventional wisdom? is also incorrect. Customs and cultures from around the world are so diverse, historically and currently. There is no validity in a general assumption about homosexuality because we have been everything from reviled to holy. What we have been, in every culture, is IN every culture. There has been no time and no place that we did not exist.

In times of a limited worldview, there may have been little option but to believe what one?s society taught. Now, in what should be a more enlightened and knowledgeable age, we have many cultures and many beliefs to draw upon. We should no longer be limited to a single worldview. As such, we have the ability to gauge more accurately our own beliefs against the greater truth. In this case, that truth is that ALL people should be treated equally and fairly under the law. Freedom and equality should not be subject to a vote, for no group, who expect and take for granted certain civil rights, should dictate, define and constrain those same civil rights in relation to another group.

That concept is central to the founding of this nation. It is unfortunate that we have missed understanding this so often in our nation?s history, that we have so often gotten it wrong. It seems so simple in concept, but it is so hard in practice. People cling to what they know, and fear what they do not. And they blame, scapegoat, magnify the negative of those they do not understand simply because they do not understand, while forgetting that the same negatives happen amongst all peoples.

Yes, I want equality now, as I want equality for all people. I do understand, however, that it will take time and patience. I am still human though. I can be disappointed, upset, and yes, even angry at times, but so can we all.

I demand equality, because it is only right, only fair, and guaranteed by the Constitution of these United States. It should be a given, not a question. So should all people demand, who truly believe in the ideals set forth in the founding of this nation. But I demand quietly more often than not, by living my life day to day, knowing the people I know, loving the people I love, and trying to change people?s minds for the more hopeful future, one person at a time.

[Yeah-Me]

And I would like to say Thank You for your sacrifice and service.

*bow*

[staycalm]

Nothing will ever be enough for the gay community. They think that in one generation the world is supposed to throw out centuries of conventional wisdom regarding their "orientation". What they do and the way they live is not the norm and it is not healthy. In my many years in Broadway musicals I have witnessed numerous seductions of teenage boys by gay chorus members, choreographers, directors and music directors. They usually use alcohol and/or pot and many protestations of how talented the boy is an what a great future they see for him on Broadway, etc. We have just been through 15 years of scandal in the Catholic Church due to the molestations of pre-teen boys by gay priests...and NO they are not pedophiles...they are GAY! The majority of the boys they molested were in the same age range as the ones in the musicals. Everyone in the church knows that the seminaries are full of gay neophytes and these are the sames ones who go on to molest. No, you do not have my respect nor do I percieve any dignity among your members. By and large, you are a bunch of flambouyant men behaving like teenagers yourselves who are simply unable to get enough $ex. $ex is really what your movement is all about as other posters have commented above...you do not seem to care about anything else that is going on in this country. Like spoiled teenagers, you want what you want and you want it now. You cannot "win" respect and dignity nor can you force us to believe that you have "pride" just because you march in a parade wearing ridiculous costumes and behave badly. Pride, dignity, respect...these are honors bestowed on those who have earned them through personal sacrifice to a cause higher than themselves. Your movement is about nothing other than yourselves.

[caeric]

We are doctors and teachers, service members and law enforcement personnel, paramedics, firefighters, counselors, coaches... the list goes on. Many of us are less visible than our more flamboyant brothers and sisters. You don't notice us as often because we live our lives the same way most Americans do - working, spending time with friends and family, and trying to make our lives and those of the people around us better.

We, too, are affected by this inequality. We fight this fight in our own way, often much more quietly, in the same way that most Americans quest for positive change. We are no less compassionate, no less determined, but we have chosen a different path towards equality. We hope for a better and more just tomorrow.

Generalization is treacherous ground. As with the generalization about who we are, the generalization about ?centuries of conventional wisdom? is also incorrect. Customs and cultures from around the world are so diverse, historically and currently. There is no validity in a general assumption about homosexuality because we have been everything from reviled to holy. What we have been, in every culture, is IN every culture. There has been no time and no place that we did not exist.

In times of a limited worldview, there may have been little option but to believe what one?s society taught. Now, in what should be a more enlightened and knowledgeable age, we have many cultures and many beliefs to draw upon. We should no longer be limited to a single worldview. As such, we have the ability to gauge more accurately our own beliefs against the greater truth. In this case, that truth is that ALL people should be treated equally and fairly under the law. Freedom and equality should not be subject to a vote, for no group, who expect and take for granted certain civil rights, should dictate, define and constrain those same civil rights in relation to another group.

That concept is central to the founding of this nation. It is unfortunate that we have missed understanding this so often in our nation?s history, that we have so often gotten it wrong. It seems so simple in concept, but it is so hard in practice. People cling to what they know, and fear what they do not. And they blame, scapegoat, magnify the negative of those they do not understand simply because they do not understand, while forgetting that the same negatives happen amongst all peoples.

Yes, I want equality now, as I want equality for all people. I do understand, however, that it will take time and patience. I am still human though. I can be disappointed, upset, and yes, even angry at times, but so can we all.

I demand equality, because it is only right, only fair, and guaranteed by the Constitution of these United States. It should be a given, not a question. So should all people demand, who truly believe in the ideals set forth in the founding of this nation. But I demand quietly more often than not, by living my life day to day, knowing the people I know, loving the people I love, and trying to change people?s minds for the more hopeful future, one person at a time.

[Yeah-Me]

Beautifully stated caeric.

[pw08-2009]

The gay marriage movement has become an issue that continues to lose support because there is nothing else in world or national politics as important to the gay community, apparently...All of your tactics and spokespeople have been wrong because the issue is wrong.