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John R. Thomson: What Happened Was Not A Standard Coup, And Zelaya's Return To Power Would Only Be A Victory For Chavez
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- Honduras4democracy sounds suspiciously like the "Fair Play for Cuba committee", which was actually a group of US criminals bvent on interfering in Cuba's affairs back in the 60s.
If Zelaya actually did something illegal, why was he not given the democratic consideration of due process, and tried as someone who committed an illegal act, then sanctioned according to the criminal laws of that country?
Why was it necessary to expatriate a Honduran citizen, and since when is that a valid democratic practice?
It seems you are another posing neo, trying hard to claim a "loss of popularity" for someone who is not even connected to "your" country, while ignoring the fact that even if you are actually Honduran, your post indicated you have internet access, which only the "privileged class" enjoy, and since they are by far the minority, you do not represent all of the "youth" of that country, as further evidenced by the photo on this page.
The correct stand to take in this matter is "none of our business, as long as all applicable law is followed" which is the stand our president has taken. - Reply to this comment
- If that is the case, then why did he not fight the terrorists at home? we have the kkk, aryan nations, and other groups that have advocated and committed acts of terrorism for decades, if not for most of our two and 1/3 centuries, and are still committing murder.
Where was Mr. "anti terrorist"? Bush? letting his friends embezzle 10 billion per month, invading countries that either had no connection with the so-called "terrorists", or deposing governments in countries that we were told (read lied to) were supporting them.
The "terrorists" named as our "enemy" (Al Qaeda) were actually a group created, trained, and funded by the US CIA. This is public information, freely available to anyone, so either you post inaccurately because you believed the lies, or because you still support the 21st century's first mega war criminal. - Reply to this comment
- To hondurancitizen
Your post reads like an American neo, posing as a Honduran in an attempt to feign credibility, and here is why.
The planes carrying drugs are usually headed for the markets in the US, and are controlled by very rich and powerful gangsters, some of whom are in the government, the military, and the police or at least pay them off, either way it is not Zelaya's fault, it was happening long before Zelaya gained office. Same for the kidnappings, criminal gangs soliciting ransom, or opposition to the ruling "caste" were the usual victims, then the children of the rich became victims, as the payoff was larger.
You sound like the neos here who want to blame our president for problems that were created or tolerated by previous presidents.
Second, the repression you mention was also endemic to the country, as the rich resorted to any measures deemed necessary to maintain their position, this was also happening long before Zelaya.
Encouraging people to fight? Seems only logical that if the ruling class had been more beneficial to the country as a whole, then such "encouragement" would not have been necessary or successful.
But what really makes you look like an American poser is your using "...********* and ignorants" to describe those who might not agree with you. That is really US neo, as is the false illusion that the majority of Hondurans have ever had any "freedoms" to take away.
The really poor Hondurans don't have easy, or affordable access to Internet, and little English education, and so you post is even more suspect.
If you are indeed Honduran, then it is obvious you are of the "privileged" caste, wishing understandably to maintain your "status", and the march of time is against you. - Reply to this comment
- Well said!
We, the people of Honduras feel abandoned by the international community! We have just acted to defend our laws, our freedom, our democracy. No coup has taken place here, but a lawful destitution of a corrupt megalomaniac who used socialism as a crutch to support his ultimate goal of staying in power indefinitely under strict compliance of Chavez's so-called socialist franchise!
Long Live Democracy, Long Live our Freedom, long Live the Rule of Law.... Long Live The Republic of Honduras! - Reply to this comment
- No, he did not jump too fast, he jumped in the correct direction, it is none of our business to support or not, he simply called for the reassurance that everything was done according to the law of the land, as well as international laws to which the Honduras is signatory, and there are valid questions on that matter.
It is the utmost respect to let Hondurans work out their own problems, and not assume to know better than they do about their own country, something that America has only now begun to accept. - Reply to this comment
- To Ceres6
I was out working, and just now have time to respond.
I am indeed worthless, as are you in the scheme of things, but the question remains unanswered what have they done to you that inspires you to support meddling in their affairs.
You say that you "care about the ..." well son, we've all heard that one, the neos always spout such as a prelude to causing their death and destruction, the old "save the village by destroying it" routine. It is obvious that the farmers, aboriginals, and other groups of the the marginalized poor, who overwhelmingly support Zelaya, and btw make up the vast majority of citizens there mean nothing to you.
It is their business alone to determine their affairs, if they don't like their position they will change it, and I still say it is their business and none of ours. The coup happened for one very good reason, those who carried it out, and those who back them knew that such a referendum would succeed, had they thought it would not, they would have let the politics take it's course.
Mr Chavez and his company have no need to "destroy America" as you put it, we have done that quite effectively ourselves, over the decades we have trodden on so many peoples around the world, that we have exhausted our own treasury and economy trying in vain to maintain hegemony. Our own house has been divided for so long that now it is reaching Lincoln's conclusion, it can no longer stand. It would be interesting to read your examples of what Chavez has done to "destroy America", I find it funny that the same neos who constantly spew rhetoric about the US being the "strongest country in the world" and such tripe, resort to panic over a small country on the other hemisphere, and what they do there.
And this one is extremely funny, you say "...but the freedom and the future of tens of millions of Latin Americans..." Just like in the US, the only ones truly free are the rich, and maintaining their positions and practices are not in the interest of the greater good.
But, contrary to your claim, the non rich people, who are the majority of the people there, are obviously of no consequence to you, only those who control the money.
If you call me worthless, its ok by me, at least I recognize this, and have no wish, as you so obviously do, to impose a hypocritical "American" agenda upon those who have been, and still are harmed by it, and wish to change their condition. It is their business, and their fight, not ours. - Reply to this comment
- hondurancitizen, thanks for the common sense! Just wish the leftists in this country would wake up and recognize that what you are saying is exactly what is in the process of happening in our country. Of course, many of those things they wish to happen.
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- Without a doubt, brianbwb-2009, you speak like a full time moron. That Mr. Chavez and Mr, Zelaya have not done anything to a worthless idiot like you is not important. What is important is that Mr. Chavez has already slaved millions of people in Latin America, and the corrupt Zelaya was in the process of slaving the people of Honduras. I am not rich as you imply, but I care a lot about the Honduran and Latin American people. That Mr. Chavez and Mr. Zelaya have a deep hatred against the American people, and that they hope to help destroy the United States, without a doubt, insignificant to you.
Mr. brianbwb-2009, it is time you go need back to keep licking the boots of your boss, the tyrant Hugo Chavez. - Reply to this comment
- We as Americans need to admit to our depraved, corrupt and deadly imperial storm trooper actions all over the world and in Central America in the past. You can't fight fascism if you don't want to admit that we have it. Right wing terror right here at home. And spread abroad to Honduras, etc.
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- It turns out it the right wing military and the big corporations who they support who are against our freedoms. How else would you explain the imperialistic and racist wars of the United States all over the world. The US stands for anti-democratic ideals by supporting wars for big business. No where else is this more apparent than Central America.
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- be careful, it appears to be so, Obama appears to be like the others, good at first but devils inside.
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- Dear pdcchapin,
apparently you are misinformed, you do not have the slightest idea of how life was in Honduras, planes filled with drugs landed almost everyday here, lots of kidnapping, repression, he encopuraged people to fight, respected noone, he thought he was God in Hojduras and couldn't be questioned, it was horrible living here and knowing your freedom might be cut was worst, that is why we support what happened here, we who lived it are the only ones who really knows, everybody else just are *********** and ignorants, we will defened our countrym, we do not want Chavez ruling here, we might be poor but they will never take our freedom away. - Reply to this comment
- obama appears to like kissing Chavez's ass, another lefty dummie.
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- this was not a military coup, we have a new president, militaries d o not lead anything, what was done in Honduras was legal and necessary. It was Zelaya who did not obey anyones ruling, he disobeyed everyone and thought he owned Honduras and was above everyone and everything. You should get your facts right, I know I do because I live in Honduras and know exactly what happened and what led to it. Unfortunately you listen to irresponsable news channels like CNN who do not know crap or are paid by Chavez.
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- You are completely wrong, because Chavez is growing, his money is buying many countries and apparently your president does not care. So, don't be surprised when USA goes into a left tyoe of government, and your freedom will be cut, the leader will do as he pleases, does not respect anyone, uses your tax payment as his personal finances, drgutraffiking grows, many dead, and worst of all, you eill not be able to say what you think becuase you lose your freedom of expression.
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- It is very dissapointing for us hondurians who actually have lived all the injustice and excesses of our former president to see how the international community is reacting to what happened on sunday. i cannot say I like what happened on sunday, but it was necessarty, Zelaya's attitude took the country there, there was no other choice. If that wouldn't have happened, right now we would be another country under Chavez. We may be poor but we want our freedom. United Nations and OAS are all communists, leftparties lovers, that is the reason they are against our freedom, but is is very surpriding and dissappointing to see how Obama and american government are reacting to this, they seem to be other Chavez lovers and do not support democracy. President Obama, I was a fan of you but not anymore, if you cannot see that this was for our freedom, then you can run to your dear friend Chavez, you rforeign policy is totally confused and it seems you are not capable.
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- It turns out it the right wing military and the big corporations who they support who are against our freedoms. How else would you explain the imperialistic and racist wars of the United States all over the world. The US stands for anti-democratic ideals by supporting wars for big business. No where else is this more apparent than Central America.
- Noloyalisti, so move if you don't like the US. And if you already have moved, shut the heII up as you have no voice here.
- Most Freedom Loving Americans are with you! Don't worry about our Democrats here in the US who are against you (Obama and his robots), they will not be in power after Jan 2013. As a Democrat all my life, I willl never be fooled again by these Socialists who are on the FAR LEFT!! Every Democrat I know feels exactly the same!
We are a right center country with most clear thinking Democrats saying they are somewhat conservative!
Obama LIED and he will never get re-elected!
- hondurancitizen:
In my opinion you are very unreasonable or undemocratic in your views. You talk about your freedom, but fail to respect the rights of Mr Zelaya, the democratically elected president of your country-Honduras. By Mr Obama, the democratic way of removing Mr Zelaya is though proper impeachment process, which gives him the opportunity to defend himself by the Honduran congress or senate. Taking or forcing him out early in the morning by the military on the orders of the Supreme Court is not the proper process. At least, here in the USA, the Supreme Court could not give such an order, it would be illegal. Only Congress can sack or impeach the president if found wanton. So, I wish you could be reasonable to see that Mr Obama only wants things to be done properly and democratically. Mr Obama seems to be agreeing with Mr Chavez because, in this case Mr Chavez is right - Mr Zelaya was forced out undemocratically, without due process.
- 1- Bushoccio used hundreds of signing statements diregarding laws passed by COngress.
2 - Bushoccio lied about intelligence he knew was false which goes against Presidential powers.
3 - Bushoccio tortured and rendered US citizens thus breaking treaties and conventions that were agreed to by the US, a breach of the constitution
4 - Cheney outed a CIA agent that was covertly working for nationa security. I believe treason is not allowed by our Constitution.
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- zelaya was elected by democratic vote, period. This was a classical military coup d'etat, there will be people disappearing, death squads etc.... the US needs to get on board and stop supporting this type of illegitimate acts as they did in the 70 and 80 thanks to the republican party. If we want to spread democracy to the middle east this is the time to show that we are for democracy and not for military coups. We are not barbarians.
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- At least president/secretary Clinton had the good sense to take her time to understand the situation and come to the conclusion that it is not a full blown coup...
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- brianb: Read the whole article again... The interim president is from the same party as Zelaya. The Military? Zelaya tried to use them to impose his will on the Supreme Court and Congress... When the General refused the order to remove the ballots their Supreme Court had deemed illegal, he was fired. Humm, kind of reminds you of the Bush days, doesn't it? The difference? The Hondurans had the guts to stop it before someone got hurt.
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