Comments on: Obama Should Support Honduras Coup

John R. Thomson: What Happened Was Not A Standard Coup, And Zelaya's Return To Power Would Only Be A Victory For Chavez

[ffoulkes-2009]

1. signing statements are used by all presidents including Obama so far.
2. where the hell in the constitution do you read any of this one?
3. torture (if you call it such) was used against foreign combatants...not citizens.
4. There is no proof Cheney was involved, and there must be a trial to prove treason.

Try again you lefitst troll.

[beachbug1vw]

One of our own Democrats introduced a Bill in the House of Rep on Jan 29, 2009 to change our Constitution to end the two terms our own President can hold!
Don't worry, Obama and his Robots already have plans to follow the lead of Chavez!

[ffoulkes-2009]

The Congress decides if a referendum is to take place. They decided against one. The Supreme court agreed. Where are you missing on this? This is the same procedure we have in the United States for a change in the Constitution, and if a President were to try to change the Constitution in his favor in this manner here, he would be kicked out too.

[Ceres6]

I am sure you consider yourself the undisputable American Rambo in the new millennium. You wake up singing the National Anthem. Your pajama, jacket, jeans, shirt, eyeglasses, socks, shoes, and belt have the U.S. flag. And every few minutes, you say to yourself how a great American you are. After you exercise, it is amazing the incredible amount of patriotism coming out of every pore in your body. It is true, people like you will send millions of Honduran people to hell, and if they become slaves of the tyrant Hugo Chavez, it is not important.

[USSAmerikan]

Obama could become the next Carter if he continues at this pace. Ignorance and adherence to leftist principles led Carter to support the overthrow of the Shah, the fall of Afghanistan (we are still paying with American blood for that on with American blood). In fact, one could argue the point that without Carter's weakness, we would not be dealing with the prospect of a nuclear Iran or with 9-11.

[azure13]

To hell with Honduras. We need to worry about the U.S.A.

Some of you people on these boards seem to think that our president should run every country. You same people go on and on about having small government. Quite the oxymoron.

We need to concentrate on home.

[Ceres6]

I am sure you consider yourself the undisputable American Rambo in the new millennium. You wake up singing the National Anthem. Your pajama, jacket, jeans, shirt, eyeglasses, socks, shoes, and belt have the U.S. flag. And every few minutes, you say to yourself how a great American you are. After you exercise, it is amazing the incredible amount of patriotism coming out of every pore in your body. It is true, people like you will send millions of Honduran people to hell, and if they become slaves of the tyrant Hugo Chavez, it is not important.

[fred-mertz]

"Call the penchant to scrap presidential term limits what you will: The efforts have clearly negated each and every country?s constitution." -- Thomson

If scrapping term limits "negated each and every country's constitution", why the hell didn't Thomson object when Dubya illegally wiretapped every american citizen, squashed free speech by creating "free speech zones" (cages to prevent protesters from begin able to "peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"), lied to Congress and the People to get approval to launch an illegal war which killed almost 5,000 US soldiers, etc., etc. ?

[ffoulkes-2009]

Fred...You can't find a legitimate argument on the present situation, so you keep falling back on Bush. Bush is gone. Deal with the here and now. Here and now, Honduras did what needed done to protect their Constitution.

[fred-mertz]

"Call the penchant to scrap presidential term limits what you will: The efforts have clearly negated each and every country?s constitution." -- Thomson

If scrapping term limits "negated each and every country's constitution", why the hell didn't Thomson object when Dubya illegally wiretapped every american citizen, squashed free speech by creating "free speech zones" (cages to prevent protesters from begin able to "peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"), lied to Congress and the People to get approval to launch an illegal war which killed almost 5,000 US soldiers, etc., etc. ?

[beachbug1vw]

Obama still has protest free zones and if you don't believe it, just ask Congressman Lewis and the muslim congressman from Minnesota. They were arrested 2 months ago because they crossed out of their caged area in DC when protesting for Health Care for all Americans and ALL Illegals Immigrants and any criminal that can manage to sneak into our country!
And, Obama just announced they will continue the Wire Tap program and are meeting with AT&T to be the lead TeleCom company to do it!

[jschmidt27]

your old accusations are getting pretty tiresome. You have no evidence at all to support anything. And the Homeland Security and patriot act seems to have protected your --- very well the last 8 years. So you might want to get a new tune, such as something about Obama's war against business in the US, or his lackluster condemnation of Iran but his strong condemnation of the suppossed coup in Honduras. It seems he is supporting the wrong govts. Many of us are tired already of his appology tour, his big govt proposals that will bankrupt the US and his disregard for stockholders and bondholders as evidenced by the GM and Chrysler bankruptcy. So find another song, I don't have a violin that small.

[Ceres6]

Thirty years ago, President Jimmy Carter made some terrible decisions involving the countries of Nicaragua and Iran. For that reason, many Americans considered him a weak person, and decided to elect Ronald Reagan, a Republican. I hope today we don't have a similar situation. The position taken so far by the Obama Administration about the Honduran crises, is one of weakness. Not to support the brave actions of the Honduran people, which prevented the country to become a pawn of the tyrant Hugo Chavez, through the puppet of Manuel Zelaya, is just perplexing.

After 30 years, Americans are still paying the price of the decisions taken 30 years ago. If Honduras becomes a dictatorship, I have no doubt that what happened to Mr. Carter will also happen to Mr. Obama.

[USSAmerikan]

Obama could become the next Carter if he continues at this pace. Ignorance and adherence to leftist principles led Carter to support the overthrow of the Shah, the fall of Afghanistan (we are still paying with American blood for that on with American blood). In fact, one could argue the point that without Carter's weakness, we would not be dealing with the prospect of a nuclear Iran or with 9-11.

[TryTakingMyMoney]

Putting himself in their shoes, our liberal socialist messiah supports the leadership in Iran for stomping out a revolution for freedom, and he now stands arm and arm with Chavez protesting a "legal" overthrow of the Honduras leftist thug president. He supports everything opposite of what America was founded on. AMERICA! WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO WAKE UP!!!!!!

[rocketjl]

It is pretty clear that there is much more to this than those people are willing to tell the world.

On this matter and at this point President Obama does not speak for me.

[johninpennsyl]

Since when did Americans start worrying about the Honduran constitution?
Nobody in the goverment here gives a tin whistle about ours.

[wdh3007]

It sounds as if the Supreme Court and Military helped the rest of this nations people by freeing them from a marxist dictator who is in line with Chavez. It's hard to see the crime here especially if Zelaya himself was a criminal. This situation might be an exception to the rule for a poor country in having a peaceful & physical removal of a president with just means.

[bajajohn1]

Used to be called Gunboat Diplomacy. Now the world has changed and President Obama won election to a job that no sane person would want, if he really knew the extent of the mess on the table before he won that job.

[bajajohn1]

When there is hunger in the land, people ususally make a left turn to seek help.

[Ceres6]

To brianbwb-2009

In a good manner, one by one I will try to give an answer to the statements you make. Even though it is true that many Hondurans are poor, it is not right to say that the majority of Honduran people support Mr. Zelaya. There is a great difference between being poor, and being poor and slave. Are you aware, following Chavez techniques, what have happened in Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, and Nicaragua in the last 11 years?

Step #1: The president indicates that he wants to make a referendum to change the constitution.
Step #2: No matter what the results of the referendum, the president will say that he was given permission to change the constitution and to dissolve or transform Congress.
Step #3: The president removes from congress all the politicians from the opposition parties. From now on, everything the president proposes gets an automatic rubber stamp approval from Congress.
Step #4: Every 4 years, the president is automatically reelected. All the members in the Supreme Court are replaced by the president puppets. Every TV station, newspaper, or radio station that says something against the government, is attacked by a mob and later is fined and closed. All three branches of government are 100% controlled by the president.

No one has to be an Einstein to see that the Honduran people prevented the destruction of their constitution by Mr. Zelaya, and avoided becoming pawns of Mr. Chavez.

And you talk about corruption. There is corruption everywhere, not only in Latin America. Even in the United States there is a lot of corruption. Let me give you two examples: there are thousands of executives that were working for companies that were going bankrupt, however, each of them received millions of dollars in bonuses on top of their mega salaries. What about the corrupt people from Wall Street, that because of despicable greed, they dragged the economies of the entire planet to the ground because they wanted to make tons of money.

That?s why, It does not matter if you are Honduran or American, we cannot remain quiet if corruption affect our lives. I believe that Mr. Obama is doing something positive to help the U.S. economy, and to eliminate the corrupt practices mentioned above. However, I also believe that he is wrong not to support now the Honduran people, and permit that the tyrant Chavez gets away with the slavery of Hondura. When people lose all their freedoms, slavery is the right word to use. This is simply what he wants to do: he wants Honduran people to be his pawns, as he has already done in several Latin countries.

Although it is true that in the past, the U.S. government and multinational companies have taken advantage of most Latin countries, and they have greatly contributed to their poverty, that is not a reason not to do anything now. That?s why it is important to get involved. I am a US citizen, and I care a lot about what happen to Latin American people, and I will do my best to fight the evil and bloody practices of Hugo Chavez, and his puppet, Mr. Zelaya.

It is an irony that a few days ago, Mr. Obama, without hesitation, said to The Colombian President, Mr. Alvaro Uribe, that 8 years was enough to be president of his nation, because Mr. Uribe has been president for 7 years, and he may want to be reelected again. But what happened a few weeks ago. Mr. Obama had an encounter with Mr. Chavez. Although Mr. Chavez has been already president for 11 years, the only thing Mr. Obama told Chavez was to promise to the South American despot that he was not going to interfere in the Venezuelan affairs! Many people are feeling down and perplexed after witnessing the actions of Mr. Obama. At this pace, instead of being known as the Colossus of the North, the United States will gain the title of the Pussycat of the North.

You are wrong when you say that ?Mr. Chavez and his company have no need to destroy America.? Are you going to wait until all Latin American countries fall under Chavez, and become vicious enemies of the United States? Don?t you see the sick hatred of Hugo Chavez, Rafael Correa, Daniel Ortega, and Manuel Zelaya against the United States? If you cannot see that, then it is impossible for us to agree to almost anything. Maybe the only thing we will agree is that we care about our fellow Americans from different angles.

[andylance1]

Honduras is one of the poorest nations in the hemisphere, and yet their political leaders and institutions acted with courage and good intentions. The cabal of pro-Chavez nations have usurped democratic ideals and institutions in their own lands and in the case of Bolivia have split their nation in two.

The international community and media has seriously misjudged events in Honduras and have behaved like predatory jackals with crocodile tears.

[abbe91]

These are declassified documents which show why we have to be so proud of what we did for Chile.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8i.htm

[abbe91]

On 26 May 1973, Chile?s Supreme Court unanimously denounced the Allende régime?s disruption of the legality of the nation in its failure to uphold judicial decisions, because of its continual refusal to permit police execution of judicial resolutions contradicting the Government's measures.
On 22 August 1973 the Christian Democrats and the National Party members of the Chamber of Deputies voted 81 to 47, the resolution titled Declaration of the Breakdown of Chile?s Democracy that asked the military to put an immediate end to breach[es of] the Constitution . . . with the goal of redirecting government activity toward the path of Law and ensuring the Constitutional order of our Nation, and the essential underpinnings of democratic co-existence among Chileans.


There wasn't really a coup in Chile either and Nixon was definitively right to support it, ordering the CIA to depose President Allende ... in 1970.
Of course we know what happened next. A perfect democracy under Pinochet.

[bajajohn1]

Used to be called Gunboat Diplomacy. Now the world has changed and President Obama won election to a job that no sane person would want, if he really knew the extent of the mess on the table before he won that job.

[brianbwb-2009]

Even more so when a google search turns up this Florida/right wing/Fauxnews connection...

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Floridians interfering in other countries' affairs. Pity.