Comments on: Why Arizona Flipped On Gay Marriage

The Weekly Standard: A Look At Why Arizona, Which Rejected A Ban Two Years Ago, Saw It Breeze Through In 2008

[bprog]

Leave it to some *redneck* from to conflate bestiality with human love! Oh, and since when does voting against the equal rights of your neighbors spring from ''high principle or warm religious faith''? Listen up, hetero-sexist bigots of every color, stripe or persuasion: GAY EQUAL RIGHTS ARE NOT YOURS TO LIKE OR APPROVE. THEY ARE FOR YOU TO GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY OF. Why don''t you cease your overpopulation and wrecking of the Earth, instead? Stop trying to sell your ''straight'' lifestyle as ordained by God and the only real, natural way for humans to relate to each other. Failing that, shove your bible-based bigotry up your *** and take your feet off the necks of gay people! Your hatred and intolerance has done enough damage. You haters may *think* that civil rights are some thing that you can magnanimously grant to gay folks when you feel like it or if they plead, beg, cajole, kiss your butts, stay in their place and don''t disturb your deranged view of them as freaks in some eternal gay Mardi Gras, but equal rights are not some gift you can give to the *** in some misty future in order to feel better about your own (frequently TRULY immoral) ''lifestyle choices''. Get the clue. NOW.

[bprog]

Leave it to some *redneck* from to conflate bestiality with human love! Oh, and since when does voting against the equal rights of your neighbors spring from ''high principle or warm religious faith''? Listen up, hetero-sexist bigots of every color, stripe or persuasion: GAY EQUAL RIGHTS ARE NOT YOURS TO LIKE OR APPROVE. THEY ARE FOR YOU TO GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY OF. Why don''t you cease your overpopulation and wrecking of the Earth, instead? Stop trying to sell your ''straight'' lifestyle as ordained by God and the only real, natural way for humans to relate to each other. Failing that, shove your bible-based bigotry up your *** and take your feet off the necks of gay people! Your hatred and intolerance has done enough damage. You haters may *think* that civil rights are some thing that you can magnanimously grant to gay folks when you feel like it or if they plead, beg, cajole, kiss your butts, stay in their place and don''t disturb your deranged view of them as freaks in some eternal gay Mardi Gras, but equal rights are not some gift you can give to the *** in some misty future in order to feel better about your own (frequently TRULY immoral) ''lifestyle choices''. Get the clue. NOW.

[caldwellptr]

Why do you get to decide who I marry?

[cbscrash072]

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness" proof that there is no god. Why because if there was a god and he struck out against the unrighteous and the truth suppressors then there would be no Christians.

[cbscrash072]

Non of this matters. As soon as gay marriage becomes legal in one state all other states will have to recognize them under the federal constitution. The only reason this didn''t happen when Mass. Legalized gay marriage was because they barred out of staters. It would be interesting if a legally married gay couple moved to Arizona and decided to demand their rights under the US constitution.

[avigil2]

Great post by sonogirlaz. At least someone on here has some common sense.

[sonogirlaz]

I think that everyone should be able to make their own choices in their personal life. Even "God" gave us free will, to make our own choices.

[truthislife1]

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown [it] to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible [attributes] are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify [Him] as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

[marcoluxe]

People, learn some history if you''re going to use the "tradition" & G-d and Church argument. There was no requirement in western tradition for any involvement by the church in marriage until the Council of Trent [23d session] about 1566. That was a political power grab by Rome reacting to the Reformation, and that applied only to Catholics. Northern Europe, with the Protestant Reformation holding sway had NO TRADITION of church involvement with marriage. That''s why civil marriages are now the legal norm in most of Europe. The East''s tradition had even less involvement with gods, mostly involving fertility gods. Marriage has aways been a contract, ususally involving property rights. Leave your religious interpretation out of the discussion, and you''re not left with any rational reason not to treat marriage as a civil contract open to any two consenting adults. [yes you pervs, if you can get your sister to marry you, go ahead, but even she won''t wed such a neanderthal, the incest "taboo" is hard wired in most]

And for those folks who object to sharing the word "marriage" -- you come up with another word that''s good enough, then you use it for yourself. See, can''t huh? We''re stuck with [civil]"marriage", so just learn to share.

[inketolstoy]

The popular vote should never be the determining factor in rights issues.

Posted by paris1969 at 06:21 PM : Dec 02, 2008

While I agree, I am curious as to what you think should be the determining factor and why?

[cheetah-man7]

The retarded post about gay marriage in church shows what''''s wrong with AZ and America.

PEOPLE ARE STUPID.

No legal body can force a church to marry anyone. It''''s in the 1st amendment.

It''''s no wonder our country is going down the drain. It''''s full of sheep who vote away their own freedoms.
You people make me want to puke.


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Posted by roger3815

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Your angry tone has a certain "arousal" quality to it... What are you wearing right now?

[zendigity]

This issue is not about rights, it is about definition.
Posted by govwatch

Actually, this is a rights issue; constitutionally, whatever rights are afforded one group of people in the United States must be provided to all people.
To say that one group has to right to sign a legal contract while another group does not is discrimination and a violation of the principles this country was founded upon.
This isn''t a new concept; once upon a time there were laws that said interracial couples couldn''t get married; funny enough those laws were created by the same Xenophobic mentality that allowed these laws to be written; just like those, these laws too will be overruled.
Thank God we live in a free country; much to the dismay of those who wish to speak for God, this isn''t a religious issue, it''s a legal one, which means inevitably rational thinking will win.

[roger3815]

The retarded post about gay marriage in church shows what''s wrong with AZ and America.

PEOPLE ARE STUPID.

No legal body can force a church to marry anyone. It''s in the 1st amendment.

It''s no wonder our country is going down the drain. It''s full of sheep who vote away their own freedoms.
You people make me want to puke.

[au_fait]

I believe we should not allow a gay marriage in a church, but with separation of church and state it should be allowed by law. We should all be equal in man''s law.

[andor3]

"It is immoral under God''''s eyes "

Of course, no religion sees it that way and most call it a sin to say what is right in "gods eye"--called taking the name of the lord in vain. But really who cares what you or your "god" think? It has nothing to do with government and it is a perversion to try to encode your fears and prejudice into law.

[andor3]

"But Prop 8 in California was overwhelmingly rejected by young voters"

It has become a symbolic issue now. Gay marriage is accepted by the young, the open minded, and the rational. It is a symbol of the declining relvance of the church as a political force and the older, waning generation who are ruled by fear and prejudice. It no longer has much to do wit the question of marriage--everyone knows gay marriage is right and soon to be legal everywhere. The question has become why we should ever allowed the pseudo-religious organizations to perpetrate their evil agenda through fraudulent tax evasion, deception, and political manipulation.

[nearl4511]

If you put right to atheism to a popular vote in a state election it would be be outlawed as well...but not embraced by Federal Constitution.

Fact is that Constiutions are there to protect rights of minority interest from the will of the majority.

[govwatch-2009]

This issue is not about rights, it is about definition.

[stopkidding]

But Prop 8 in California was overwhelmingly rejected by young voters. It won''t be too long before Americans look back and wonder at the prohibitions to gay marriage the same way they now look at laws against miscegenation. We are living in primitive times.

[paris1969]

I think if we put interracial marriage to a popular vote, it too would be outlawed. The same thing for affirmative action, abortion rights, and a host of other issues. The popular vote should never be the determining factor in rights issues.