Comments on: America Is Still A Conservative Nation

Weekly Standard: Despite Obama's Election, Exit Polls Show Conservatives Still Outnumber Liberals

[shellybeanns]

Ok, Ausus, I''ll take up your challenge. I think I''m a clear conservative, but I''ll let you make the call.

Re:
Abortion - I''m Pro-Life. I think society has been duped into believing that this is somehow a "choice". A choice is more like what kind of cereal to have for breakfast.

Gay Marriage - Like McCain, I am for civil unions and health/death benefits for ***, but otherwise, I want to get other people''s sexual orientation/problems out of the political arena. This is a private issue. Let the states handle it for their citizens.

Euthanasia - Let them die, provided that they are genuinely terminal and have been treated without success.

Taxation - We already have a progressive tax system. Our tax law could use some reform, ok a lot, but putting further tax burdens on any one group is simply class discrimination.

Government Regulation - This depends on what we''re talking about, generally I''m NOT for it, I believe in competition eliminating the weak.

Trade Unionism - I think we have seen that Unions only end up hurting those that they''re trying to protect. Those industries wrought with unions are the most unpredictable. Look at the U.S. auto industry now.

Censorship - While I''m not pro-censorship, I''m also not going to buy your product or watch your show if it is offensive or might introduce something to my family that is not age-appropriate. So, like my regulation comment above, let competition eliminate the weak.

[shellybeanns]

Who should pay for your medical care? - Let me ask you this - Are you impressed with the FDA? The EPA? How about FEMA? How long did you wait in line the last time you were at the post office? The social security administration? All of these programs are defunct so the answer is HELL NO, I do not want the Feds touching my healthcare system. Let them fix their overfunded and underfunctioning programs that they already have and THEN we can talk. To fix some of our healthcare issues, we need to first address the legal system and then we can correct some of the problems that the private insurance sector has created via legislation.

Should you make any payment toward your tertiary education - Personally, I think I have a very radical opinion about education. I would never NEVER send my kid to a public school today and I myself was public-educated throughout. If it were up to me, I would eliminate government funded primary education. The whole system is a pathetic mess. I am for government funded undergraduate and graduate school, however. I think the system is flip-flopped and you need to give kids some incentive.

[ausus-2009]

Nobody has taken up my challenge, so I will repeat it. If you tick all of the boxes on the conservative side you are a reactionary. If you tick all of them on the liberal side, you are a radical leftist. Like most people I find myself somewhere in between.


When you are choosing sides, you have to look at the obvious issues like abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, taxation, government regulation, trade unionism, censorship and defense (including isolationism).

You must also throw into that mix concepts like what you call the money governments spend. Is it public money or taxpayers'' money? Do you believe the individual or the welfare of the whole of society is more important? Should utilities like telephones and power be owned by government or shareholders? Add to this who should pay for your medical care and should you make any payment toward your tertiary education?

[ausus-2009]

incog-nito,

A quick history lesson for you. Until De Gaulle took over in France, that country was as chaotic as Italy. He changed the system from one where the multi-party Parliament was supreme to one where the President was supreme.

In multi-party systems you can have chaos or domination by a single party (Japan) to the point where the only possible change of government is from factions within that party.

[timothyone-2009]

Just keep repeating it!

America Is Still A Conservative Nation
America Is Still A Conservative Nation
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America Is Still A Conservative Nation
America Is Still A Conservative Nation
America Is Still A Conservative Nation
America Is Still A Conservative Nation
America Is Still A Conservative Nation
America Is Still A Conservative Nation
America Is Still A Conservative Nation
America Is Still A Conservative Nation
America Is Still A Conservative Nation
America Is Still A Conservative Nation

Oh, and let''s not forget...T

The GOP has never been racist
The GOP has never been racist
The GOP has never been racist...

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Give more to the rich so will trickle down to the poor
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[presjfk]

You''''re right, Oliver, I am lucky to live in a country where I have the opportunity to elevate my social and economic status. I wish more people could understand and appreciate that so that they too could take advantage of the opportunities afforded them. Posted by shellybeanns

and if you had been born the right family, went to the right schools, worked for your friends in the high-end of corporate America - you would see what it is like to be truly elevated in a social and economic sense.

and to trust the economy and the future of our country to the integrity of these corporate raiders and worse would be crazy.

[presjfk]

You''''re right, Oliver, I am lucky to live in a country where I have the opportunity to elevate my social and economic status. I wish more people could understand and appreciate that so that they too could take advantage of the opportunities afforded them. Posted by shellybeanns"

You are confusing economic opportunity with conservatism. They are not one and the same. Liberalism is also not about giving everyone a handout. But I would argue the conservatism of George Bush is about a good ''ol boys network of the wealthy and powerful. If the average person is supposed to compete in a society with such corruption and unfairness as Bushanomics, then it is liberalism that will put a lid on these acts and make the system more fair for everyone. Conservatives want the market to govern itself and that just cannot be allowed any longer.

[cbs_oliver]

Posted by shellybeanns at 02:38 PM : Nov 25, 2008

Those who are favored by superior luck credit their superior work.

Those who are disfavored by inferior work blame their inferior luck.

That''s how people are.

[vhammon]

I''d like to see the Weekly Standard set a higher standard for commentary. For example, to be useful and to contribute to a genuine exploration of issues, this commentary needs some explanation of the definition being used of ''conservative.'' Is it really such a monoculture, that they can cheer for a team, "My team is bigger and better than your team."

[redhawk1021]

How laughable is the weekly standard?

Posted by be19611 at 12:01 PM : Nov 25, 2008

Scale of 1 to 10? Pretty close to a 10 I''d say.

Their policies - ya know, the ones that GW Bush has been running the last 8 years - have driven the nation into a financial crisis and we''re seeing our power wane and other nations get stronger.

Yet, these egotistical freaks at the Weekly Standard stand by failed polices and beliefs as if they''d all worked like a dream and the nation is just fine.

They''re all a bunch of rich kids who aren''t NEARLY as clever or bright as they think they are, who have never known what it''s like to NOT be rich, so it''s little wonder the view from their ivory tower is less than accurate.

Obama wins deeply Red states like Indiana, Virginia and North Carolina yet Franc brags about how the ''victories will follow. What a deluded idiot.