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National Review: Ill. Senator Has Left Iraq More Cemented In His Ill-Advised Positions Than Ever
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- at least this *** is in the opinion section....
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- razzl
This journalist served there in a combat role and has went back to report. I trust those who have been there to know. - Reply to this comment
- IRLiberal,
As a person who graduated in history and politics, a former newspaper editor and a person who has traveled extensively, I am always interested in what happened and what might have been.
Historians in 100 years may have many different interpretations of the happenings of the past 50 years. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by ausus at 08:59 P
If I thought - for one moment - that you were actually interested in any of my ideas about what should have been done, I''d respond.
It would take a very great effort by you to convince me of that sincerity - however - feel free to try. - Reply to this comment
- Okay IRLiberal, what would you have done after 9/11? Would you have taken it to the UN to watch any substantial efforts be rejected by Russia and China? Would you have done what the radical Muslims wanted and withdrawn all US forces from lands populated by Muslims to leave them to carry out their extreme policies? Would you have sat down with Osama and Saddam for a friendly chat? What would have been the ultimate result of following any of these paths?
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- Republicans: The party that wouldn''t even exist at all anymore except for their platform of hating gay people and anyone who doesn''t subscribe to their particular brand of religion. These days, being a "conservative" has nothing to do with being conservative fiscally, it just means you hate minorities, love war, fetuses (until they are born) and have no sense of fiscal responsibility whatsoever. The last eight years have proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Over SIX years of war. Civil rights breached by our commander in chief. Internationally recognized torture sanctioned by the White House. Two invaded and currently occupied countries. Hundreds of thousands dead, including OVER 4500 American soldiers. Billions of our tax dollars spent, and yes, are still being spent to this very moment.
Iraq, which had NOTHING to do with 9/11, is now an occupied country which will implode when we get out of it, whether that happens one, two, ten or five hundred years from now. A society that CHOOSES to be ruled by religion cannot become a democracy; it can only be a theocracy with voting cards.
Bin Laden still lives. The mastermind of 9/11 still walks free.
The one, simple word for this is: failure. No amount of deception, indignation or wailing by republicons can change these facts.
Failure of Bush. Failure of Cheney. Failure of the republicans.
Time for a change. - Reply to this comment
- John McCain judgement and experience that only comes with age:
"There''s not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shiahs. So I think they can probably get along." [MSNBC, 4/23/03]
" I believe that the success will be fairly easy." [CNN, 9/24/02]
"We''re not going to get into house-to-house fighting in Baghdad. " [CNN, 9/29/02]
"But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily." [MSNBC, 1/22/03]
"But I believe that the Iraqi people will greet us as liberators." [NBC, 3/20/03]
"It''s clear that the end is very much in sight." [ABC, 4/9/03]
"This is a mission accomplished.." [This Week, ABC, 12/14/03]
Want to repeat the last 8 catastrophic eight years? Vote McSame! - Reply to this comment
- Here at home we have the KKK, the neocons, the confederates and people who actually think Rush Limbaugh presents facts and news.
I think those threats here at home are more serious. Terrorists abroad hijacked planes here and knocked down two buildings. We responded by invading Afghanistan AND Iraq - and now the Bush regime wants to invade Iran. Since we invaded Iraq - hundreds of thousands of civilians - dead. Over 4200 MORE of our American citizens - dead. A puppet government based on the KORAN (of all things) installed in Iraq. Billions upon billions of our tax dollars spent, our economy in the toilet partly because of those costs, partly because of the stranglehold the republicans have had on the leadership of this country for the past eight years. Neocon judges put in power, tax free political organizations (you call them churches) given more taxpayer money to pursue their political goals, global climate change ignored (thereby accelerated), and the USA turned into a laughingstock in front of the whole world.
How much more blood republicans? How much more blood before you''re satisfied? A million? Ten million? Doesn''t matter, they''re just arabs right? Pathetic.
Who did more damage? The terrorists of 9/11 or the neocons and the Bush administration?
The question is rhetorical. Of course. - Reply to this comment
- A few months ago I read a column in the San Francisco Chronicle that looked at the concept of good war, bad war saying some people saw (now including Obama) Iraq as a bad war and Afghanistan as a good war. It argued that the natural progression was that once there was a withdrawal from Iraq, the critics would then see Afghanistan as the bad war. Already excuses are being made by some why Afghanistan is a bad war. Some are even saying defending Israel is a bad war.
Where will it end? The former Muslim territories of Spain? Former Yugoslavia? A partition of the US? - Reply to this comment
- Obama has always been dead-on right about Iraq, and McCain has always been dead-on wrong.
McCain is a fool, just like Bush and Co. - Reply to this comment
- want us in Iraq, a 100 year nightmare
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Posted by joyous88 at 07:09 PM : Jul 22, 2008
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do you just parrot the liberal line or do you think. I can''''t tell it seems many just parott what they hear and don''''t judge for themselves
Posted by alanrobisch2 at 07:12 PM : Jul 22, 2008
Actually, that is not a liberal line. Try McCain... - Reply to this comment
- Withdrawal sounded like the right thing to do until I heard it from Obama. Obama is the most incredible hoax I''ve ever seen.
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- Amen, amen, amen.
Obama walked around with his eyes wide shut and his mouth wide open. It was a huge opportunity, and he missed it.
Posted by greeneyes222 at 03:25 PM : Jul 22, 2008
And you were there?
Did you happen to see any WMDs too? - Reply to this comment
- want us in Iraq, a 100 year nightmare
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Posted by joyous88 at 07:09 PM : Jul 22, 2008
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do you just parrot the liberal line or do you think. I can''t tell it seems many just parott what they hear and don''t judge for themselves - Reply to this comment
- Why do you think you''''re losing?!
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Posted by suzyku at 06:45 PM : Jul 22, 2008
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If lincoln had followed public opinion we would now be split in two. Also note Obama has dug in in much the way bush was accused of and has decided to follow a policy is no longer sensible.
We should guide our actions by the present situations. He has set up a false dichotomy which requires we withdraw in a certain fixed time line which is ignorant at the least.
He could be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. POlicy should be based on current events not preconceived notions. Eisenhower in a similar situation did not make the kind of promises that obama has made. He ended the war in Korea satisfactorily not based on assumptions of what should be done. He stated he would go to Korea when elected. Obama has gone there to prove he is foreign policy guru. He isn''t and certainly won''t become one from this visit.
He is not garnering facts. He is using it as a means to get publicity which he has well suceeded - Reply to this comment
- What people are losing sight of is that Barak Hussein Obama was raised Muslim. One of the tenets is that it is alright, and even encouraged, to lie to your enemies, and those of different faiths. Tell them what they want to hear, not what you plan to do.
It''''s up to the voters now. Follow an American who tells the truth, or ''''Barry'''' Obama, trained as a child to lie whenever is suits his ''''god''''.
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- Ha Ha! Snort! This guy Hegseth is doing his best to sound like the pretentious journalist character "Roland Hedley" in Garry Trudeau''s "Doonesbury" comic strip. He was probably more of an "ingrown toenail" than an "embedded journalist".
Any American commander who told Obama that the Iraquis couldn''t be ready to handle their own security in 16 months is admitting incompetence and should resign. The American people, including most of those who won''t be voting for him, overwhelmingly agree with Obama''s view that Afghanistan is the real theater of operations and the Iraq occupation does not serve our interests and needs to be ended. (If you don''t believe my numbers, check out the Time.com survey on this question from a couple of weeks ago, where 80% of tens of thousands of respondents agreed with this). Nothwithstanding Cheney''s theory of his right to exercise ultra-constitutional dictatorial powers, the American public has a right to have a say in matters as important as war and peace, and we have spoken, and are not changing our minds. "Roland Hegseth" can continue to argue his case, but if he won''t acknowledge even the smallest fact against it then he''s not a journalist, he''s just another NRO PROPAGANDIST... - Reply to this comment
- The National Republican Organization ignores the fact that 70% of the people are against this fiasco started for Exxon and Chevron to steal another country''s oil. The are sick and tired of the con men and their criminal and anti-American activities against us. They are sick and tired of McBush, McSame, Rove and the rest of the Greasy Old Perverts party.
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- These guys from the National *** Organization just won''t tell us what we have won. Why can''t they tell us that this was about an imperialistic conquest for oil?
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